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Aloha !

Pretty much all of what you're coming up with to defend your statement in regards to Keep The Faith being a double CD is nonsense. Your facts don't prove anything at all, I can sum up a similar amount of facts related to this, yet none of it will actually confirm things.

Your list of songs which are supposedly finished really are worked out demo's at best. The only 2 songs that have not made the record, yet sound close to finished stemming from the Keep The Faith sessions, are Radio and Fields Of Fire. All other songs are demo's, just like The End is a demo. You can hear it in the production, you can hear it by the way Jon's singing, everything.

In regards to that Q&A which is supposedly so spot on; I can write a similar one and extend it with a lot of other information. There's several errors in there that I can correct from the top of my head. Yet none of that actually proves anything unless you're coming with a source citing something from Jon, or any of the band member's, producers mouth.

Just because "you can see it totally be a double album" doesn't mean it actually would be. There's zero proof and you're creating a theory out of nothing, and you seem to be the only one believing it.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

A lot of songs written doesn't mean it was supposed to be a double album, let's rtemember that this band used to write a shitload of songs while working upwards on an album. I read somewhere that they wrote and demoed 40 for These Days, 60 for Crush and 30 for Bounce. All were intended as single discs from the start....

The KTF version is killer, it's the third greatest song in the album after ITA and KTF.

Jon and Richie both said it. Before recording and I think even during the tour for Slippery, they said it would be a double disc and called Sons of Beaches. They mentioned it a few times and even when NJ was released and it was a single disc, they even gave the reason why it wasn't a double.

I have never heard them once say that KTF would be double and I find it hard to believe that a second time they would want a double disc and again not have it happen.

Prove it with a youtube link

Sure, now you could because of the internet and spending 10 years here but for someone to know who the session musicians were on Runaway without the internet is very impresive.

There are different levels of the demo process and the KTF ones are much further along.

After Jon finished Blaze he worked with Aldo and took his cross country trip. While he was doing that, Blaze of Glory was rocking the charts and the forgotten single Miracle was doing fairly well too. Once that promotion was done and while Jon was winning awards, he started on the KTF project. Grunge was starting to share the charts but didn't fully takeover just yet.

Jon wanting to do a double album and the record co wanting to do one are two different things but both do hold ground to that guys initial statememt.

I'm not creating any theory, I'm believing one I read from what seems like a reliable source. I recently asked for a list of songs that Bon Jovi had involvement with with other artists. I also found one on here from a few years ago. Both had songs missing that this guy had on his list and again, he did this in 1996 before the internet. That and a bunch of other things so he is the more credible source as far as I'm concerned. Not this amature board.

And what mistakes? I'm waiting?

"Just based on the facts" You are basing your argument on "I could easily see it being a double album." The actual facts are that KTF is not a double album and it has never been officially or even unofficially said that it was intended to be.

The writing plenty of songs was done with albums like Crush and Bounce too, so just writing a bunch of song does not mean it was meant as a double.

And earlier you went on about things like Guns n Roses and shit. Dude, that is a story, one you just made up.

We are actually debating in this thread that KTF was meant as a double and NJ wasn't?

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Aloha !

No it's not. There's a booklet that lists the musicans, anyone with a bit of interest in the band can compile similar lists, either before of after the internet. I've got books listing chart data, b-sides and all of that for the U.K., I don't need the internet for this, just like there's other books out there with quotes from Jon.

Further along than what? The End? That's where you're wrong, all demo's Bon Jovi ever released sound quite similar, and it's why the box set is such an easy listen; would the eighties stuff be on it it'd sound radically different. If you think the demo's are different to anything else that's merely your incompetence to determine as to what's a pre-production demo and what isn't.

Yeah, thanks. You coming up with these facts still doesn't prove a single thing here.

A claim no one's ever heard of apart from you, and apparantly that other guy. Another reason the claim from "that guy" is incorrect is Bon Jovi never released Keep The Faith on Polygram. Polygram bought up Mercury records in the late eighties but Mercury was the one who decided what would be released where. On top of that, Jambco was formed which was supposed to give Jon more artistical freedom and more control over what they wanted to release. Therefore the entire statement of Polygram saying no to Keep The Faith being a double album is nonsense.

Yes, because an internet page created in 1996 or so is way more reliable than a few guys on a messageboard in 2013. I'd say quite the opposite, especially with the amount of information out there on the internet nowadays. Whenever you get involved in arguments like these you always seem to hold up to theories and "facts" from days long ago. Open your eyes, you might learn a thing or two on this amature board.

There's the Polygram thing I described above, an error in regards to the bonus discs for Keep The Faith and Alec's open invitation to join as Alphavictim pointed out. It wouldn't surprise if there were more, but I don't feel like reading over the entire thing just to please you.

You saying "Give me a youtube source" in regards to New Jersey being a double album is just you being stubborn now. It's common knowledge among pretty much every die hard out there. Just because you don't seem to know doesn't mean it isn't true.

Oh, and your comment in regards to GnR is wrong as well. By 1991, Guns N' Roses were way bigger than Bon Jovi had ever been.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

The reason for the massive amount of songs for Crush was because of Jon’s crapped second solo album Sex Sells. And the reason for Bounce was 911.

This source seems very credible to me and until we can prove that he isn't, I believe that he is somewhat official. There is no reason why someone with so much knowledge would make something like that up.

This is not just some fan blog. Someone is asking questions and someone is answering them. How do we know it's not Obie or someone involved with the fan club?

I'm not creating a theory, just stating facts. Just become something was never discussed here, doesn't mean it never happened especially back in the 80's and 90's before social media and the internet. Jon probably wanted every album after Slippery to be a double album. He wanted Cross Roads to be double album too but the record company scrapped that idea.

As far as NJ being a double album, I never hear that officially. I know they wanted to do a a live album and I know NJ was to be called Sons Of Beaches but never once heard that it was supposed to be a double album.

Until someone here can prove that, I won't believe it.

Aloha !

You keep coming up with theories and ideas without any real facts apart from some Q&A done in 1996, much like any argument you've gotten yourself involved in. You come up with a "fact", keep saying it's a fact, will cite an odd source no one seems to value but you and despite what anyone will come up with, you will keep hammering on how you're right.

There's no further point in actually defending or trying to disprove anything to you as you seem to be too stubborn to actually swallow your pride and say you're wrong. You not believing anything in the end is really your loss. It's somewhere we've been before with you plenty of times, and I just refuse to go there again. It's a waste of my time.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan