Taking On the Old Standards (and Jon's voice)

Becky · #31 11-24-2004, 09:53 PM

Since I'm not a huge collector of box sets, Stone has me wondering: is there a band that has recorded 50 NEW songs and put them together in a box set? I don't mean unreleased live performances... I mean NEW tracks. Has anyone put that much "work" into a box set?

Becky

Kathleen · #32 11-24-2004, 10:13 PM

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they're not giving anything back, they're exchanging it to large amount of cash

Do you really think that they will make a lot of money on it? I think that only the die hard fan base will buy it. It will be interesting to see how many copies it sells.

And Becky - Yes. Bruce did it with his Tracks boxset. In my mind it was another gift from the Gods LOL

Kathleen

Iceman · #33 11-24-2004, 10:21 PM

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And Becky - Yes. Bruce did it with his Tracks boxset. In my mind it was another gift from the Gods LOL

They weren't new tracks, they were old tracks, just like Bon Jovis box.

Ice

Kathleen · #34 11-24-2004, 11:02 PM

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And Becky - Yes. Bruce did it with his Tracks boxset. In my mind it was another gift from the Gods LOL

They weren't new tracks, they were old tracks, just like Bon Jovis box.

Ice

Sorry - I was thinking of the question has anyone put out 50 unheard tracks like Bon Jovi just did. Wrong answer

Kathleen

*ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº* · #35 11-24-2004, 11:02 PM

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Celebrating 10000000000 dollars & fans by releasing old material might be heaven for you, but I see it as another way of taking the easy road. No matter if they planned for 100 years, that doesnt make the material any newer. Sure, they did record it time back, and chose to dump it. Sure, there were loads of stuff to go through to choose the tracks, but I wouldn't even think that the boys went trough the vaults. They just picked out the ones to be released from pre-selected pile. No much of hard work now is it?

Point is that even if the stuff is good, at least part of it, its still old junk. If they would have re-recorded selected songs, that would have been at least some effort put to it (but I guess with Jon's recent range it would have been a disaster....) To put it shortly, the box is just another compilation album. This time with unreleased stuff, but still a compilation. And such never require much effort. It for sure is easier than to put together something new from the scratch.

Now, there's still the fact that this unreleased stuff is valuable to fans. It is piece of Jovi-history. This time they turned big pile of left-overs into big pile of cash, not bad from their point of view. And of course, everyone thinks it's best thing they've released since SWW.

If they listened to you regarding what they want to release, they would be afraid to hell with everything they eventually consider to release, whether or not they should release it. Their releases don't need a "StoneDeaf approved" stamp on them which would be the certificate whether or not it is worth any money. That's not the way it goes.
YOU decide whether you give them your money. They won't force you. They never have.
You make it sound as if they should feel ashamed that they've had a good career and sold 100 million records.
Also, I remember the whining (not exactly you) about the price and that it would be never even thinkable that it will cost less than € 70. I guessed between € 40 and 60 and got mine two days ago for € 48.99.
But the whiners don't come back and say that's quite an ok price. No, because Bon Jovi is evil. They are worse than any tax office and I can do nothing about it... bla bla bla.

Plus, you really want to tell me that you would have liked it better if they had recorded old stuff that they didn't even found good enough to demo back then, just to show they put effort into it? No way!

Edwin · #36 11-24-2004, 11:18 PM

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And you in fact have something constructive to say about making new music?
If u think releasing decade old material is same as putting lots of effort into making music, its your opinion thats vague. No matter if its good or crap, it still is "the easy way"

I don't think that. I actually agree with a lot you said, but your negativity makes me sick.
If not for 20 years and 100 million records sold, WHEN the hell else would be the proper moment to please fans with such a fantastic box set that can easily compare with Springsteen's Tracks and once, only once to not put them down for you being disappointed with them?

It's not like they threw it out in a rush just to cash in. They planned it for at least two years. Sure, they will not send it to you for free with a personal love letter how sorry they are that they didn't hit your taste with their recent releases. Plus, the music was there, yes, but still it took effort. It didn't write and compose itself.

Why is it ultimately and only the easy way? Why isn't it a good item to celebrate 20 years?

Celebrating 10000000000 dollars & fans by releasing old material might be heaven for you, but I see it as another way of taking the easy road. No matter if they planned for 100 years, that doesnt make the material any newer. Sure, they did record it time back, and chose to dump it. Sure, there were loads of stuff to go through to choose the tracks, but I wouldn't even think that the boys went trough the vaults. They just picked out the ones to be released from pre-selected pile. No much of hard work now is it?

Point is that even if the stuff is good, at least part of it, its still old junk. If they would have re-recorded selected songs, that would have been at least some effort put to it (but I guess with Jon's recent range it would have been a disaster....) To put it shortly, the box is just another compilation album. This time with unreleased stuff, but still a compilation. And such never require much effort. It for sure is easier than to put together something new from the scratch.

Now, there's still the fact that this unreleased stuff is valuable to fans. It is piece of Jovi-history. This time they turned big pile of left-overs into big pile of cash, not bad from their point of view. And of course, everyone thinks it's best thing they've released since SWW.

This is great, LOL

. They can never do anything good enough for you, can they?

Becky · #37 11-24-2004, 11:56 PM

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And Becky - Yes. Bruce did it with his Tracks boxset. In my mind it was another gift from the Gods LOL

They weren't new tracks, they were old tracks, just like Bon Jovis box.

Ice

Sorry - I was thinking of the question has anyone put out 50 unheard tracks like Bon Jovi just did. Wrong answer

Kathleen

Since Stone was saying that Bon Jovi didn't put much work into this set, I was wondering if anyone had put that much "work" into a box set. Most of the ones I see are old songs in new packaging. I'd much rather have THIS than that, regardless of the effort that went into assembling it.

Becky

JoviGirl · #38 11-25-2004, 12:42 AM

I agree with Kathleen on this one. This box set is not about how much cash they can make. If it was, we'd be getting "Prayer" again. They know lukewarm fans are not going to be interested. It's for die-hards like us. This one is not about the money. And by box set standards, it's pretty affordable. Unless you're a producer, engineer, or artist, you can't say how much work went into this set. I am pleased by their "table scraps". They've done their job well.

fukcyuo · #39 11-25-2004, 01:16 AM

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If they would have re-recorded selected songs, that would have been at least some effort put to it (but I guess with Jon's recent range it would have been a disaster....) To put it shortly, the box is just another compilation album

uh .. maybe just me and don't laugh for me being stupid but didnt they tried that with TLFR?? not just a standard greatest hits (crossroad 2)

Becky · #40 11-25-2004, 01:27 AM

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If they would have re-recorded selected songs, that would have been at least some effort put to it (but I guess with Jon's recent range it would have been a disaster....) To put it shortly, the box is just another compilation album

uh .. maybe just me and don't laugh for me being stupid but didnt they tried that with TLFR?? not just a standard greatest hits (crossroad 2)

You know, I had the SAME thought not long ago. Do we really WANT them to go back and re-record these songs? They tend to butcher themselves with remakes (Prayer 94, This Left Feels Right, the rewritten Love Is a Four Letter Word).

Becky

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