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Old 12-06-2017, 11:50 AM
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Songfacts is not overtly reliable, and really, turning the first verse of Bed of Roses into a metaphor for the music business just sounds like it's trying to protect the band's image more than anything. I'm sure you folks would find a way to interpret Damned in a manner so it's really about Jon resucing stray kittens from the rain.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:38 PM
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Aldo Nova and JBJ wrote Hey Ronnie however the Demo is Hey Johnny...

The song started off about them being best friends and then turned into a love song with a few changed lyrics...

Considering Jon was married at the time of BOR, it's a pretty risky lyric to put out... It's like 'Hey I cheated'

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I’m not commenting specifically about Bed of Roses, but not all songs are autobiographical. Always is about a movie. Kidnap an Angel is based on Billy Falcon’s wife’s death. Bullet is about something that happened in Jennifer Hudson’s life... Ypu can’t assume everything written is about truth or the singer’s life.
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Jon introduced BOR as a confessional at An Evening With


And he has admitted to being unfaithful in many interviews.

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Considering Jon was married at the time of BOR, it's a pretty risky lyric to put out... It's like 'Hey I cheated'
if Jon has openly talked about cheating in interviews (which he has) how is it anymore risky to put it into a song?
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Remember what Jon said in Behind the Music? "The band were drunk and high, and me too. We were a wreck."
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:10 PM
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if Jon has openly talked about cheating in interviews (which he has) how is it anymore risky to put it into a song?
Jon was never specific as to WHEN he cheated... I always interperated his admittedly cheating days were during the 7800 period of his life...

BOR was written during the grey summer period when Jon and Dorothea seemed to be at their closest...

Note: I'm not saying Jon doesn't cheat... I'm just being specific to that one lyric of the song.
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Songfacts is not overtly reliable, and really, turning the first verse of Bed of Roses into a metaphor for the music business just sounds like it's trying to protect the band's image more than anything. I'm sure you folks would find a way to interpret Damned in a manner so it's really about Jon resucing stray kittens from the rain.
I don't believe Bed of Roses was ever about infidelity. I always took it as being about his career. Damned, on the other hand, I do take as being about his infidelity.

By infidelity, I do mean post-marriage... not during their on-again/off-again years in the 80s.
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Jon has never had a recreational drug problem as an adult, though he was dependent on steroids to be able to sing. He also said a couple of years ago that he had stopped drinking alcohol even though it wasn’t an issue for him.
Jon is definitely a drinker, but not to the point of it being an issue.

It seems like I remember a statement from him that he would polish off a bottle of wine before shows in the 80s to calm his nerves, which I can believe. We're talking about a natural introvert.
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I know it was a 'dark' time but I've thought for a long time that the These Days album always had an extra meaning too it.

The lyrics/song titles are extremely deep and it's almost as if Jon is confessing a lot.



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