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Old 05-31-2005, 06:27 PM
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on the other hand, if kiss "finally" recorded it in 89, we cna assume it was kickign about for years before rosie was written so it could have been Jon ripping off childs work
If I'm not mistaken, Desmond Child co-wrote Rosie, so then he'd be ripping off his own work.
ah well i thought it was only jon who got the writing credit for some reason.

anyways if he co wrote it then he can do whatever he wants with it really.
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Well the chord sequence used in those songs is the same but in various keys, its a very common chord sequence and occurs in many bon jovi songs such as its my life, these days, you give love a bad name, Livin on a prayer.
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Well the chord sequence used in those songs is the same but in various keys, its a very common chord sequence and occurs in many bon jovi songs such as its my life, these days, you give love a bad name, Livin on a prayer.
These days, no. LOAP, as a half of pre-chorus. YGLABN, no. IML, not really. The progression is (in Rosie) Em, C, D and back to Em.

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These days, no. LOAP, as a half of pre-chorus. YGLABN, no. IML, not really. The progression is (in Rosie) Em, C, D and back to Em.
Dont be silly it clearly occurs in these days but he just uses the sus ver. of the chords. YGLABN definately uses the chord sequence but the relative maj of Cminor is used for like a quaver and its my life certainl uses it in the chorus but the 2nd time round the relative maj is used. There just on different keys from rosie but the chord progression is the same.
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Old 06-03-2005, 01:58 AM
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these days goes C, D Em, Em, then back down D and C if you want to be pedantic.

it's the same 3 relative chords (i cant think which key rosie is in off the top of my head) but you're havering if you're claiming it's the same chord progression I'd die for you.

Say i take don't look back in anger and start on G instead of C and play it round, it's the same chords but still a different progression and key.

IML chorus goes Cm, Ab, Eb, Bb, C, Ab, Bb

that's not even close to the rosie progression apart from the 3 chords at the end. still a different progression.

YGLABN corus goes Cm, Ab, Bb, Cm, Ab. Bb. Eb, Cm

again. apart from having the same chords roughly (which is pretty obvious given than the progression is just your standard 1,4,5 & 6 chords in either their original or relative minor keys.) there is absolutely nothing similar in there.

there would be very few songs released if even havign something remotely like part of another progression in a song was deemed as the same progression.
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Dont be silly it clearly occurs in these days but he just uses the sus ver. of the chords.
Sus2, to be exact. And it's a totally different harmony.

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YGLABN definately uses the chord sequence but the relative maj of Cminor is used for like a quaver
Nope. YGLABN is Cm Ab Bb Cm Ab Bb Eb Cm. Not the same.

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and its my life certainl uses it in the chorus but the 2nd time round the relative maj is used. There just on different keys from rosie but the chord progression is the same.
Again no. Read Jims post. If you have the same chords in the song doesn't make it the same progression. Bon Jovi have recycled chord progressions in the past, but you just chose the wrong songs. Try Rosie and HPITN.

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to put it bluntly

a song with the simple progression A, D, A, D, is NOT the same progression as D, A, D, A. Might have the same chords and in a different order but that's the whole point, they are not the same.

just incase anyone who doesn't have a clue what the **** we're talking about relative minor keys and progression etc... wants to know.
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