The end of #1 albums.

steel_horse75 · #11 07-14-2020, 11:53 PM

Good.

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JackieBlue · #12 07-16-2020, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

I don't know if he knew. It looks like the cutoff point is October 2 and after, which is the date of release. Does that stand to reason if it was a week prior the bundle still counts? Though with the entire tour cancelled and refunded it'd be starting from scratch. So theoretically tickets would have to be back on sale with an album release date of September 25th to count.

Anyone know if that's accurate?

Where did you see a cutoff? The article you linked to says, "Under the new rules, which will be implemented at a start date to be announced..." I didn't see a specific date.

I swear I'm going blind; but did I overlook it?

Captain_jovi · #13 07-16-2020, 03:30 PM

Oh woah that's weird, the date is gone now. It had said October 2nd and onwards.

JackieBlue · #14 07-16-2020, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Oh woah that's weird, the date is gone now. It had said October 2nd and onwards.

Thanks! I know I sometimes scan too fast and miss details, or things just don't register; so it wouldn't have surprised me either way.

Maybe the start date is being negotiated?

Bounce7800 · #15 07-17-2020, 12:55 PM

It's a shame, and predictable, that the bundles were used purely as a mechanism to get the new albums to #1 (not just by Bon Jovi), as I liked the idea of the fans getting familiar with the new album and allowing the band a bit more freedom to play the new stuff. If I'm going to see a band I'd at least give a cursory listen to their new album.

liljovi93 · #16 07-17-2020, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90

That's right, from Bounce to WAN, all the albums landed on number 2 in the UK charts.

All except This Left Feels Right. The Greatest Hits in 2010 was the last opportunity for the band to get another number 1, in my opinion.

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JackieBlue · #17 07-25-2020, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Oh woah that's weird, the date is gone now. It had said October 2nd and onwards.

UPDATE:

The official cutoff is now Oct 9. So the old rules will still be in play for albums released on Oct 2. I don't think it's a coincidence that Bon Jovi 2020 was moved back to that date from Oct 30. Billboard will also include any ticket bundles sold through Oct 8; and I don't see anything that excludes albums bundled with the tickets for shows that have since been cancelled, even if ticket prices are refunded.

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Here’s When Billboard's New Bundle-Banning Chart Rules Will Go Into Effect

7/16/2020 by Chris Eggertsen

www.billboard.com

The biggest changes start in October, but as of now, no new ticket or merch bundles are being approved.

Billboard has set start dates for new rule changes to its charts doing away with the controversial practice of "bundling" albums with concert tickets and merchandise to drive market share and music sales. The changes also affect instant digital sales attached to purchases for physical albums delivered at a later date.

Effective immediately, Billboard will no longer approve any new album/ticket bundle offers; moving forward albums will only be counted if promoted as an à la carte add-on sale to a ticket purchase.

For existing, approved offers with an album released on or before Oct. 8, 2020: Redemptions (sales) generated by offer will be accepted for duration of the tour or offer. Sales will be chart eligible, but only for tickets sold through Oct. 8, 2020.

For existing, approved offers with an album released on or after Oct. 9, 2020: Redemptions (sales) generated by offer will be accepted for duration of the tour or offer. However, sales will not be chart eligible and will only count for a title’s release-to-date sales; and only for tickets sold through Oct. 8, 2020.

As for merchandise/album bundles, beginning Oct. 9, no further sales of albums can be reported if bundled with merchandise, even if the album and merchandise are available à la carte. Albums scheduled for release on or before Oct. 8 can report sales generated from the bundles, but only through Oct. 8.

Albums slated for release on or after Oct. 9 cannot report any sales generated from a merchandise bundle -- merchandise being defined as anything that is not the album itself, including (but not limited to) clothing, paper goods, accessories, virtual items, concert presale codes, contest entries with No Purchase Necessary entrance options and fan club access.

As with ticket bundles, beginning Oct. 9, an album must be promoted as an add-on to a merchandise purchase, not baked into the price of the non-album item, and it must not yield any benefits or discounts to the customer, in order to be counted.

Physical format albums sold as part of a finished goods boxed set/package that may contain artist/album-branded merchandise items can continue to count as a sale as normal, but only after advance approval.

When it comes to signed merchandise/album bundles that go on sale between Aug. 7 and Oct. 8, the offers must be live and for sale on the artist’s approved direct-to-consumer store or webstore no later than 11:59:59 p.m. EST on the album’s first day of release to be counted for the charts or for release-to-date sales. Any additional signed merchandise/album bundles offered beyond the album’s first day of release between those dates will not be counted for the charts or release-to-date sales.

New rules governing the bundling of physical albums or singles with immediate digital downloads will also go into effect on Aug. 7. From that date forward, any physical album or single sold with a digital download will not be counted as a digital sale and will only be counted as a physical sale upon shipment to the customer. In cases where multiple physical formats of the same album or single are bundled with digital downloads, only the first physical format that is fulfilled to the customer will be counted.

First announced on Monday, the latest rules are designed to address widespread concerns that an accurate measure of consumer intent -- which has been the basis of the Billboard charts since their inception -- is being undermined by increasingly-common bundling practices. The new guidelines will better ensure that Billboard chart rankings more accurately reflect the conscious purchasing decisions of consumers and level the playing field for all artists.

Though the sales strategy of bundling albums goes back decades, more recently it has been employed by artists and labels to try and boost album sales, which have been continually falling over the last several years but are worth considerably more than streams on the charts. In 2019, overall album sales dropped 18.7%, making it the fourth year in a row where album sales dropped by at least 10%.

As previously noted, Billboard will continue to work with the industry to reflect merchandise sales within existing charts such as the Artist 100, as well as potential merchandise-specific charts down the line.

Thinny · #18 07-25-2020, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue

UPDATE:

The official cutoff is now Oct 9. So the old rules will still be in play for albums released on Oct 2. I don't think it's a coincidence that Bon Jovi 2020 was moved back to that date from Oct 30. Billboard will also include any ticket bundles sold through Oct 8; and I don't see anything that excludes albums bundled with the tickets for shows that have since been cancelled, even if ticket prices are refunded.

I'm not really sure how that makes any sense. Surely if the gig is cancelled and the ticket is refunded then the people that had tickets won't be sent CDs and therefore it would be impossible to include copies of albums not paid for and not sent to the customer as part of the charts!

Supersonic · #19 07-25-2020, 02:35 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Thinny

I'm not really sure how that makes any sense. Surely if the gig is cancelled and the ticket is refunded then the people that had tickets won't be sent CDs and therefore it would be impossible to include copies of albums not paid for and not sent to the customer as part of the charts!

I'm not so sure.

Everyone who's bought tickets for these shows has done it online. They're all registered. All Ticketmaster has to do is send an e-mail with a voucher or something. People were promised an album if they bought a ticket. They bought the ticket, if the organizer then cancels the show they're still supposed to get the album.

Let's say you buy a new phone and get a free VR Headset with it. The phone doesn't work and the phone company gives you a refund. You won't have to send the VR Headset back either.

To make things even more complicated; let's say you get a free concert ticket if you buy the album. You don't give a shit for that album but wind up buying it anyway to get that free concert ticket. Then the show gets cancelled.

Depending on what laws work where you might be entitled to a refund on your purchase because the basics of the deal have changed. If the phone company can't deliver the VR headset it'd work the same way and you'd be entitled to a refund as well.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Captain_jovi · #20 07-25-2020, 03:42 PM

Yeah because the tour was outright cancelled I think it's a moot point the album got released before the regime change. If there's no album to collect on the voucher should be null and void once the refund took place which feels like was automatic.

The end of #1 albums.

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