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Originally Posted by JackieBlue
"...because we have tiny partial truths
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Hey, stop using MY phrase or I'll have to copyright it
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Bingo! That's what has troubled me since the beginning. It's never been that I believe Richie was right to do what he did, or that I think Jon is a lying evil bastard who forced him into an intolerable position. As you said, with only 'tiny partial truths' to go on, there's no way for anyone to know that. But using that same logic, I just can't help wondering how people can be so sure that Richie was wrong to do what he did, either
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I think most people are sure he did the right thing for HIM and respect that decision, so it’s not about WHAT he did but HOW he did it. Moot point by now, really. It’s been discussed to death
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Everyone knows the undeniable truth that all we have to go on are 'tiny partial truths', yet that hasn't altered their determination, in the slightest, to go right on ahead and judge a man's character on the basis of those 'tiny partial truths' and to make up their minds - irrevocably, it seems - on the basis of those same 'tiny partial truths' that there was no justification for what he did. So, therefore, it can only follow that he has no respect for the fans, he treated them like shit, he's a spoiled brat who needs to learn his lesson, he shouldn't be allowed back in the band, he can't be relied upon, he trashed the band (when, in reality, he has said nothing - with the one exception of the 'real thing' comment - that he hasn't said countless times, almost verbatim, over the years), he was disloyal to Jon and the band, he shit on the band's legacy, he's nothing but a liability, he's only in it for the money, he never stood for his principles, he was part of the problem and never tried to do anything about it...ad infinitum as nauseum
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Since you point some things I said in other threads (intentional or not, I doesn’t bother me, I pinky swear) I’ll reply to this. Again, I don’t remember who said what and the exact words, but it’s a fact that Richie has been throwing digs in interviews and concerts waaaaay after the dust had settled. As if he’s trying to convince fans that he’s the real deal, that good BJ fans have to leave the soulless machine and support him. I felt he was the one fueling the feud. It leaves ME disappointed because I really understand his reasons and I even agree, but he was also part of the problem and he can’t just pretend it was all good and fun because he was a part of it and when things started to go south it was all Jon’s fault, that all of a sudden he was only a poor unwilling participant. “His songs and my songs”. It’s absolutely unnecessary, really. And false.
That’s not really speculating or judging the man. I assure you I have nothing against Richie, I don’t know him! I wouldn’t go to one of his concerts to boo him or anything like that. If I met him tomorrow, I would say hello, hope you are doing fine and your projects go very well. That’s it, his music is not my cup of tea so I don’t buy his CDs or go to his concerts. I wish him the best in life, I’m judging him as an ex-member of BJ who can possibly return to the band. What happened matters, what he said and did matters (and also what the others said and did, it goes both ways), so I feel it’s a little more complicated than the cliffs notes version I gave to my daughter (she likes Richie and is super bummed he won’t be there when she goes to her first concert): “they had a fight and stopped being friends and if they want to, they can fix it, but if they don’t want to, that’s too bad but there’s nothing we can do”. I can’t accept Richies hypocrisy blindly, just like I have a hard time accepting some of Jon’s traits that I feel are affecting the music/band. And I point out both things.
We are really derailing the thread. Feel free to PM if you like to chat. I’m finishing a really boring paper and my brain is basically fried so I’ll leave it here.
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Originally Posted by Old Joysey
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Thanks Joysey! Interesting read