[KSantaFe]

Originally Posted by jovifan93

And... wait for it... I *love* Captain Crash! Works great live (with fans like me and the casuals) and I just love the music and the (nonsense, but fun) lyrics!

Agreed!! It's actually a song that means a lot to me - and so I wish it got a little more appreciation around here!

[Bounce7800]

Originally Posted by KSantaFe

Agreed!! It's actually a song that means a lot to me - and so I wish it got a little more appreciation around here!

Crash and WSYCGH get hate purely for being overplayed. Both are decent upbeat songs, but if they were given a rest a bit they wouldn't be disliked so much.

[KSantaFe]

Originally Posted by Bounce7800

Crash and WSYCGH get hate purely for being overplayed. Both are decent upbeat songs, but if they were given a rest a bit they wouldn't be disliked so much.

That's fair enough. And I was never around/conscious to notice either of those being overplayed back in the day - nor have I ever seen Crash live.

Also I rate HAND and Bounce as better albums than Slippery - bite me

[Lucas_Roli]

Captain Crash is a cool live song !! Didn't know that it was hated so much around here.

[jovifan93]

Originally Posted by KSantaFe

That's fair enough. And I was never around/conscious to notice either of those being overplayed back in the day - nor have I ever seen Crash live.

Also I rate HAND and Bounce as better albums than Slippery - bite me

Yeah, HAND is one of the best albums, period. Slippery has it's moments (Prayer, Wanted, Raise Your Hands come to mind), but a lot of fillers/tracks reminiscing the pre-Slippery BJ, which I do not really like for the most part.

Also I don't get the hate for Bounce or TC. Both are pretty good albums actually

[JerseyGiant]

"Lost Highway" is and still is (so far) the most creative and different thing the band has done since "These Days" ill admit when it was released I wasn't the biggest fan but the more time that passes the more it grows and the more I relate to it, "The Last Night" is one of my top Jovi songs!

[Javier]

I think the more that time passes, the more that the fan base will appreciate just how good and inventive the mid to late 2000's releases have been. HAND, Lost Highway and The Circle are just all around great albums with a purpose, something that was kind of lacking in WAN. It's like Crush and Bounce signify one era but after HAND and up to The Circle is another, and a great one....

[semigoodlookin]

Originally Posted by Javier

I think the more that time passes, the more that the fan base will appreciate just how good and inventive the mid to late 2000's releases have been. HAND, Lost Highway and The Circle are just all around great albums with a purpose, something that was kind of lacking in WAN. It's like Crush and Bounce signify one era but after HAND and up to The Circle is another, and a great one....

It's been what, 11 years since HAND and 9 years since Lost Highway? Heck, 7 years have passed since The Circle. Some love those albums, some like them, some hate them. How much time do you think needs to pass for the appreciation of their inventivness to kick in?

I think a decade is plenty time to learn the "greatness" of these albums. I have not come to that conclusion in that time and simply don't think another decade is going to do the trick.

Describing those albums as great is a stretch for me.

The screw what other people think thread. Here goes (not addressed to Javier).

Those who prefer any post 2000 album over Slippery, New Jersey, Blaze, Faith, or These Days have a poor vision of Bon Jovi.

Why? When Bon Jovi made those classics, there were no better examples of that kind of music, they were producing the best of their genre, or at least equal to the best.

Post 2000, if you happened to like the output (nothing wrong with that) then there were a ton of bands that were doing that kind of thing better.

I expect flames for this, as I know some people cherish the post-2000 work. It is just uncomparable in quality and craft to the classic Jovi era and anyone doing an objective critique would agree I think.

[semigoodlookin]

Originally Posted by JerseyGiant

"Lost Highway" is and still is (so far) the most creative and different thing the band has done since "These Days" ill admit when it was released I wasn't the biggest fan but the more time that passes the more it grows and the more I relate to it, "The Last Night" is one of my top Jovi songs!

Btw, I agree fully with this. I do not like Lost Highway, it isn't for me at all. However, it is the bands most complete album since These Days in terms of vision and execution. It is arguably brave (although calculated is more accurate), features genuine songwriting craft, and passion.

[yomamasofat]

1. These Days is massively overrated as an album.
2. Hey God is the worst album opener in the entire catalog.
3. There are some real duds in These Days, some I put in the same cowdung category as She's A Mystery - pretentious crap like My Guitar Lies Bleeding, Letting You Go, Damned, Diamond Ring and Something To Believe In.
4. We Got It Going On is a good song.
5. Other than WGIGO there are 3 more good songs in Lost Highway: Any Other Day, I Love This Town and the title track. The rest are crap.
6. Always is a decent ballad and not worthy to be classified in the same rarefied air as I'll Be There For You, Bed of Roses and Never Say Goodbye. The demo versioni s much better than the Crossroad version. Thank You For Lovin' Me is better than Always (Crossroad version).
7. The Distance, Love Me Back To Life and Hook Me Up are atrocious and do not rock.
8. It's My Life is a legendary song, without it Bon Jovi would've been over by 2000.
9. Crush is a good album, there are only 2 real crap songs there: She's A Mystery and Two Story Town.
10. The Circle is also overrated. We Weren't Born To Follow is a good song, and Love's The Only Rule is a legendary classic but When We Were Beautiful, Work For The Working Man, Bullet, Live Before You Die, Brokenpromiseland, Fast Cars and Happy Now are all certified grade A shit songs.
11. 7800F is underrated, there is only 1 real crap song there which is King of The Mountain.
12. She Don't Know Me is a great song, even though the band didn't write it. It's much better than many other songs that the band actually wrote.
13. Because We Can is the only good song in What About Now. The rest are embarrassingly terrible.
14. Who Says You Can't Go Home is a legendary song.
15. Last Man Standing is a shitty song.
16. Most of the songs in Burning Bridges are weak except the title track and the Nickelback cover.

That's all I can recall so far.