These Days Era or How Bon Jovi aren't the same anymore.

born_to_run · #31 12-30-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Neurotica33

I think most fans that are being honest with themselves that have been aroud pre-Crush would agree that the music produced in this decade dosen't really come close to anything from the 80's and 90's. There is definately something missing that made Bon Jovi great.

When it comes to the live experience, I believe Jon is still a great front-man and the band are as tight as ever. I just feel too often than not, Jon is happy to play it safe when it comes to the set-list and there are not enough 'magic-moments' that match up to the band in the mid-90's.

That's exactly the point - those around pre Crush and who saw em back in the 90's or even 80's are mostly shocked by what's going on in the BJ camp right now. They are lacking one BIG thing - and that is called "Passion and dedication". As I write I am watching the first night of Wembley 1995. Comparing it to 2007 BJ it alsmost seems that that was a completely different band back then. Every cover band plays BJ classics with more passion than they do themselves now (not speaking about how the destroy their old songs with the new versions). For those seeing em for the first time it might be good - ok fine. For me they are just a parody of a once great band
First time I started wondering bout what's going on in the BJ camp was when I heard "Radio...." on the Atlantic City DVD - a great song with attitude (the best song for me on the Boxset). Listening to it live with Jon singing it with his low voice looking bored as **** made me wonder what's wrong there. Well the HAND day cd and tour were a nice step back inthe right direction. But whats going on right now is just a shame.
I'd rather listen to a tribute band playing the songs as they are supposed to sound than their lacklustre versions of 2007.

crashed · #32 12-30-2007, 05:43 PM

Born,

We're listening more now because you seem to have decided to have a proper discussion with valid points rather than just ranting that LH sucks!

I'm getting a bit annoyed though, because somehow everyone seems to think there's something wrong with liking everything Jovi has done - and I'm in that camp to one degree or another. As I've said over and over, I still don't agree that Bon Jovi have ever done a bad album, and I still doubt they ever will. While I don't like LH as much as KTF or TD, or HAND for that matter, I still thought it was a decent effort when it could have been a horrible disaster (and I was expecting it to be.)

Bring on the tour and show me some passion - and despite what you're saying Born it seems like a lot of the recent shows have had it, and shit they're probably just warming up - and if that's still there, despite Jon no longer being at his vocal peak, stuff all the doubters - that'll be my band up on stage again.

born_to_run · #33 12-30-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed

I still thought it was a decent effort when it could have been a horrible disaster (and I was expecting it to be.)

IMHO it is exactly that I am afraid!

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Originally Posted by crashed

Bring on the tour and show me some passion - and despite what you're saying Born it seems like a lot of the recent shows have had it, and shit they're probably just warming up - and if that's still there, despite Jon no longer being at his vocal peak, stuff all the doubters - that'll be my band up on stage again.

I don't care about the vocals - I thought Jon was ok at the O2 show. The only way they could prove me wrong would be dumping those horrible guest musicians (which also got on my nerves already on the HAND tour) and play the old songs like they are supposed to sound. Unfortunately that will probably happen before the next tour which they will call "Sorry for LH 2010/2011". If the European audience might be lost forever after the LH tour is written on another piece of paper.......
It will be my band again if there are 5 musicians up on sage rocking their asses of. Nothing of that happens at the moment!

Captain Walrus · #34 12-30-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes

I'm keeping askin' myself: why Jon Bon Jovi did not release LH as a solo album? Maybe even i would enjoyed that. You know... in carrer solo you have freedom to do whatever you want, but as a band, people (fans) expect some things from them.

Probably because Richie wanted to do it too. He said in an interview before HAND even came out that he wanted to try a country direction on a possible third solo album

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If Metallica (or whatever) decided to go country, their fans would still following their asses? I don't think so. And why all Bon Jovi fans is still there????

Aside from the fact that Metallica have done at least one country influenced song, they're always pissing off big portions of their fanbase by going in different directions with each successive album since The Black Album

Malachy · #35 12-30-2007, 07:22 PM

http://www.pr-inside.com/bon-jovi-we...ss-r365916.htm

a bit of explanation to why they did lost highwat, which is backing up m,y point

*ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº* · #36 12-30-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen

When this band is on top of their game (and that falls mostly on Jon's shoulders) they can still put on a show that will blow you away.

Even when this band is not on top of their game, the casual fan - that has not collected every bootleg ever recorded, that has not watched AAA till the tape was torn, that does not do the yearly vacation to catch up on as many gigs as possible - will still be blown away.

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Originally Posted by Neurotica33

I think most fans that are being honest with themselves that have been aroud pre-Crush would agree that the music produced in this decade dosen't really come close to anything from the 80's and 90's. There is definately something missing that made Bon Jovi great.

I agree here, but on the other hand there is still nothing missing that makes Bon Jovi Bon Jovi, to me.

Kathleen · #37 12-30-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by *ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº*

Even when this band is not on top of their game, the casual fan - that has not collected every bootleg ever recorded, that has not watched AAA till the tape was torn, that does not do the yearly vacation to catch up on as many gigs as possible - will still be blown away.

This is also true and something to think about. Whether it's Bruce or Bon Jovi - I am enough of a fan to have mostly all the bootlegs and I actually listen to them LOL. Therefore I can tell you practically every damn screwup they make - and where they make it.

Lots of people that I drag to concerts with me go home converted. They are amazed - even when I have a complaint about the show. Face it - most of us here are hypercritical. These bands - especially in the past - didn't have their every mistake bootlegged and on the internet in 24 hours. Considering that - I think that all of the older bands have held up quite nicely.

*ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº* · #38 12-30-2007, 09:40 PM

See, that's why I love you. You perfectly fit into the group I just described, but still, you manage to not trample on every human fault, "contradictions" Jon makes or playing nights with less passion...

born_to_run · #39 12-30-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by *ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº*

I agree here, but on the other hand there is still nothing missing that makes Bon Jovi Bon Jovi, to me.

IMHO there is Nothing there anymore in BJ what made them great!

Supersonic · #40 12-30-2007, 11:58 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Malachy

because metallica have stuck to the same formula and do it well over and over, they do not get a new fan base, they keep thier old one which replaces the older generation, Jovi are diffferent.

they could have kept the same SWW formula and been half successful, kept the 80s fan base and maybe would ahve been able to get a new through the 90s and 00s, same as maybe AC/DC did. but Jon doesnt have the voice for it. they done these days and got a new fan base with new material that sparked thier 80s fanbase, got a new one from the 90s,

same as its my life and crush, got them a new generation while keeping the perivous 2, and now we have LH, thats again has brought them a brand new generation into the fold.

unlike metallica i dont expect more of the same from Jovi, i expect good rocking music from them, catchy songs that i will annoy my friends singing! for me i have MAM, any other day, stranger, ILTT, and others on LH that make me listen to it,

Bon Jovi can make any type of music they like, i wont mind as long as i likeit personally, and connect witht eh music, yes the older stuff my be better to some people, but i always have the old stuff in my MP3 to listen to if i get bord, and at the minute i like LH and i am looking forward to seeing them live in June.

This is such a load of crap. Bon Jovi sold out stadiums all over Europe in 1995, and sold out about half of their shows in Europe in 2006. And now you're claiming they're getting a bigger fanbase? Bullshit. If your theory would make sense, Bon Jovi would have sold out Wembley 4 times instead of 2 times on the Crush Tour, and would have booked 5 dates at Twickenham by now.

Also, expecting good rocking music from Bon Jovi and then saying that you want songs like the ones on Lost Highway obviously means that you haven't got a clue of what you're talking about when it comes to expecting rocking music.

Salaam Aleikum,
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