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Old 02-15-2019, 12:12 AM
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For me, over the past few years, it's the lack of outros on studio albums that they play on live shows.

Just off the top of my head:

Born Again Tomorrow
Thorn In My Side
Loves The Only Rule
This House Is Not For Sale
God Bless This Mess
Any Other Day
That's What The Water Made Me

These songs could have been even better in the studio if they had some extended outros like the live performances. I love the surprise element of the live shows when we get outros but even if only half of these songs had extended outros, it would make things a bit better from a studio point of view. It just shows the lack of imagination and creativity from the band when they release a new album. They either 1) Can't be assed or 2) Think to themselves they will throw outros on live shows instead.

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For me, over the past few years, it's the lack of outros on studio albums that they play on live shows.

These songs could have been even better in the studio if they had some extended outros like the live performances. I love the surprise element of the live shows when we get outros but even if only half of these songs had extended outros, it would make things a bit better from a studio point of view. It just shows the lack of imagination and creativity from the band when they release a new album. They either 1) Can't be assed or 2) Think to themselves they will throw outros on live shows instead.
Yep, that was my point as well.
I think its gotta do with Jon's stranglehold on the creativity, he probably views the extended outros as just something to dance on stage during liveshows [reminds me of Live in London DVD where he went absolutely bananas on "Always"] or to engage the crowd with dual guitar moves ["Saturday Night", "Thorn"] or even to show his command over the well oiled machinery that the band is via timed hand movements ala music directors ["Keep the Faith"]. Maybe it was Richie/band being lazy at being assertive during the recordings. How awesome a song is "Flesh & Bone" with the amazing outro or the live version of "Any other day" with an extra Richie solo at the end. Contrast them with "Its my Life" where the repeated final chorus becomes a bit tedious to listen to.
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Yep, that was my point as well.

I think its gotta do with Jon's stranglehold on the creativity, he probably views the extended outros as just something to dance on stage during liveshows [reminds me of Live in London DVD where he went absolutely bananas on "Always"] or to engage the crowd with dual guitar moves ["Saturday Night", "Thorn"] or even to show his command over the well oiled machinery that the band is via timed hand movements ala music directors ["Keep the Faith"]. Maybe it was Richie/band being lazy at being assertive during the recordings. How awesome a song is "Flesh & Bone" with the amazing outro or the live version of "Any other day" with an extra Richie solo at the end. Contrast them with "Its my Life" where the repeated final chorus becomes a bit tedious to listen to.
Oh I 100% get that mate. That's why I'm saying that I'd like even half of the songs that I mentioned to just have them on solo stuff. That's what I listen too more (especially now) and I just think it'd bring a bit more 'creativity' as you said to the band.

I get that JBJ likes to walk around the stage and command the band and everything else but sometimes he just stands and watches or has a drink. Just be good to get some back.

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Jon and the band are really trying to aim at doing hits. So they are not driven intrinsically anymore.
- I miss the guitar work that surprises me, some creative build-up and so on.
- To much focus on 'high-class-fan-trips' (intimate storytelling for 2000 bucks makes me sick)
- The lack of creative set lists
- Too much focus on numbers and 'look we are still very big'
- Too many live-your-life lyrics
- The lack in quality after Crush
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not releasing deluxe editions with remastered and unreleased stuff. not creating a live vault like Springsteen and Pearl Jam. still playing Captain Crash and Who Says (the last one, outside the US) live
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- Too many live-your-life lyrics
It's my Life's success did irreparable damage to Jon's brain.
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It's my Life's success did irreparable damage to Jon's brain.
This is the only reasonable explanation for the it's alright part in WhoSays.

I guess when Jon and Richie wrote it Richie went out to use the bathroom and Jon couldn't remember that he had included those words already and kept adding that phrase until Richie came back and said that's enough and they should remove the last 99 "it's alright".
Then Shanks came in and said to Jon that a song where you sing 100 times "it's alright" is the best lyric he has ever heard and advised him that for the live version it would be even better to sing 1000 times "it's alright".
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