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Old 11-18-2023, 10:28 PM
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I find it amazing that Jon actually let Richie, Obie etc. built tracks around existing vocals / versions at the time (also with the OWN single). I can't imagine him having allowed something to slip out of his hands a few years later.
Even more amazing he did this after the Jesus Jones KTF desaster
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Old 11-18-2023, 10:49 PM
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Oh that had completely dropped off my memory
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Old 11-18-2023, 11:11 PM
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When you really think about the timeline about What Do You Got, it makes me think he's not as strict about that stuff

(Phil did session work on that song, most likely due to being producer Howard Benson's go-to session guy. But Jon and Phil both maintain they hadn't seen each other since either Aldo Nova days or recording the Levon single in 1991, I can't remember which. Ergo, Jon wasn't there for the final recording portion of that song)

Okay, I'll remove my tinfoil hat now.
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Old 11-19-2023, 09:55 PM
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i felt like this when it first came out in 95. But its my 2nd fav album of theirs now.
I dont know how old you are or when you first became a fan but as fan aged 20 back in 95 this album was everything i wasnt listening to at the time - pantera, white zombie, corrosion of conformity- heavy stuff so as soon as i stuck this on i was like this sucks. But over time its blossomed.
Reallu dont understand your shallow song writting comment either.
I think TD is an album of everyone bringing their best to the table.

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There is some social commentary on the record, but "junior don't make 21" is hardly "woah, man, if you put it like that, shit, I never thought about it like that". It's hardly bursting with intellectual insight; if it works, it works because of the heartfelt delivery. But people act like it's pure poetry or a brilliant analysis of the 90s or whatever. And the lyrical angle makes it less of a "fun" record for sure.

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Hey God: I like the attitude and conviction, but all truth be told, it doesn't move much. The riff is running in place, the vocal melody in the chorus is mostly shouty.

Something for the Pain: The production feels gimmicky, the lyrical "gag" (YOU're something for the pain) is extremely Desmond Child. Okay song.

This Ain't a Love Song: The production and guitar playing give this heavy Eros Ramazzotti vibes. I much prefer Bells of Freedom, but it's a decent song.

These Days: Excellent song.

Lie to Me: 35 year old multi millionaire Jon doing his best to muster up some Springsteen working class consciousness; the music is a bit too mellow.

Damned: I prefer Keep The Faith.

My Guitar Lies Bleeding in My Arms: Bad lyrics. Weird guitar playing during the middle bit.

(It's Hard) Letting You Go: Very good song.

Hearts Breaking Even: Aerosmith-leftover sounding. Decent.

Something to Believe In: Clumsy lyrics, "Don't You Forget About Me" intro. Choice of subject matter feels genuine

If That's What It Takes: Fun

Diamond Ring: Weirdly horny vibe given the subject matter, weird lyrics too. And yeah, I know it shares its origins with Let's Make It Baby.
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Old 11-19-2023, 10:02 PM
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Wel I guess my unpopular opinion in that case is that I really like the Have A Nice Day album...
Banging album; EASILY the best they've released this century.

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Lyrically "Looking at the pages of my life" screams a line Richie would write.
Wow, now that you mention it - the melody, too! He probably would have done his faux falsetto/thin high voice thing, going li-iiiife too haha

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While we're at it, Misunderstood is also great. It was actually a hit in my country because it was in the soundtrack of a soap opera back then. Never played on a tour concert here though, sadly. The crowd would go crazy for it.

Now please, if anyone say anything about Any Other Day I'll lose my shit
Misunderstood RULES. Any Other Day is the best song on Lost Highway by far, and the only one from that album I really like.

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- I love Room at the end of the world. Indeed, I think that production issues and a couple of tracks (Amen and Army of one) apart, What about now is a good album which I listen to now and then, and I think it receives more flak than it deserves because of its (alleged) role on Richie’s departure.
WAN actually has some very very nice songs that just drown in a sea of mid-tempo. The record suffers from boring ass songs too, but the pacing of the album as a whole also makes it hard for the good stuff to even live up to their potential.

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I love this thread and I've got one too

I love Price Of Love!

Something about that song triggers certain emotion I can't describe..it goes way back when I bought the album. I must have been 14 or something and I guess I was experiencing such emotions as being to attracted to someone or even in love with someone for the first time. This song kinda takes me back there
Great song! The one song from that album where the naive lyrics really worked for me when I first heard then would be Secret Dreams haha
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Old 11-20-2023, 08:47 AM
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There is some social commentary on the record, but "junior don't make 21" is hardly "woah, man, if you put it like that, shit, I never thought about it like that". It's hardly bursting with intellectual insight; if it works, it works because of the heartfelt delivery. But people act like it's pure poetry or a brilliant analysis of the 90s or whatever. And the lyrical angle makes it less of a "fun" record for sure.



Here, since that comment already attracted some interest...



Hey God: I like the attitude and conviction, but all truth be told, it doesn't move much. The riff is running in place, the vocal melody in the chorus is mostly shouty.



Something for the Pain: The production feels gimmicky, the lyrical "gag" (YOU're something for the pain) is extremely Desmond Child. Okay song.



This Ain't a Love Song: The production and guitar playing give this heavy Eros Ramazzotti vibes. I much prefer Bells of Freedom, but it's a decent song.



These Days: Excellent song.



Lie to Me: 35 year old multi millionaire Jon doing his best to muster up some Springsteen working class consciousness; the music is a bit too mellow.



Damned: I prefer Keep The Faith.



My Guitar Lies Bleeding in My Arms: Bad lyrics. Weird guitar playing during the middle bit.



(It's Hard) Letting You Go: Very good song.



Hearts Breaking Even: Aerosmith-leftover sounding. Decent.



Something to Believe In: Clumsy lyrics, "Don't You Forget About Me" intro. Choice of subject matter feels genuine



If That's What It Takes: Fun



Diamond Ring: Weirdly horny vibe given the subject matter, weird lyrics too. And yeah, I know it shares its origins with Let's Make It Baby.
I think my issue with the album back in the day was it started with Hey God which is what you wanna hear BJ kick off an album with but then SFTP, TAALS,TD,LTM were all slow(ish). Damned picks up the pace then it slows down again and the next real rocker is All I want...then another slow one.

So as 20 year old listening to far heavier stuff I really couldnt get into it but over time and after a bit of living, loving, losing and growin up this album comes back into your life and sounds different as it did to my 20 year old ears.

As much as its my 2nd fav album of theirs Ive never really like SFTP and Diamond Ring. Id personally swap them for prostitute and When she Comes/Wedding day

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Old 11-22-2023, 02:40 PM
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Mine is that She's a Mystery is a brilliant song and I'll defend that song against all attacks.
Finally a “She’s A Mystery” supporter. Love that song, so underrated and over hated. Lyrics is beautiful and deep, while the melody is mysterious and which all together creates a special vibe. Magical song imo.
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Old 11-22-2023, 02:44 PM
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Honestly I think Lie To Me is Bon Jovi's best ballad, especially the live version from Stuttgart 1996. Luv Can is a very close second. We'll never know how it would have sounded with 95/96 live vocals.
I agree on that Lie To Me opinion. The build up from low and slow to high, fast paced craziness is perfection to me. I think it was the 5th BJ song I ever heard and quickly became a top 5 favorite and still is. Dublin 1996 and Stuttgart 1996 is some of the most passionate and emotional I’ve heard Jon become during a song (during ad libs).
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Old 11-22-2023, 03:17 PM
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Well I got loads of unpopular BJ opinions, but one I feel is agreed upon during every discussion about it, is that KTF album has 1 good half and the 2nd half lacks and drags the album down in rating.
Personally I don’t think it has a good and a bad half. I love the whole album. I Want You, Blame It, Little bit of Soul, Mother, Fear are all excellent songs which I listen to on a regular. In fact I find myself listening to those (on the 2nd half) more often than most on that 1st half.
9/10 album for me or 4.5/5 stars, bc of not including some demos. KTF truly has the best songs of you include demos too.

But one unpopular opinion I dread sharing and writes here last in hope that most people have already moved on, is that Wanted is a boring song, which I find myself skipping every single time. It’s nothing special in my eyes and seeing people calling it the BJ anthem makes me sick. Definitely not that.

Well thanks for reading, have some mercy on me if you do respond
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Social Disease is a brilliant song, better than most on SWW !
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