Unreleased Song Titles (Revisited)

Captain_jovi · #**171** 10-20-2018, 08:28 PM

I know when they got together for Crush/Sex Sells there were three batches of songs. The ones Jon wrote and stockpiled, the ones Richie wrote and stockpiled and the ones they wrote together (Garageland and Next 100 years were from the first batch they wrote together). I wonder if Too Much Of A Good Thing came from the Richie batch and they they tweaked it together, added/took out parts.

Looking at the lyrics and melody, nothing about it to me screams either Jon or Richie and I dont know enough about Richie Supa to know if it's closer to his style. It's the same way I'd bet a million dollars the second verse of Two Story Town was written by Mark Hudson.

YOVANAfromPeru · #**172** 10-21-2018, 02:43 AM

Neurotica...

JackieBlue · #**173** 10-22-2018, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru

Neurotica...

I missed that one. It could have come out of the US sessions as well. Thanks, Yovana!

A general question for the room:

I know we've talked about One to Say Goodbye before, but where did we get that it was written by JBJ, Sambora and Supa. I just checked ASCAP and couldn't find it listed for Supa or Sambora. I looked at every possible mutation of the title that I could think of and nada. Is it registered with one of the other PROs?

Captain_jovi · #**174** 10-22-2018, 07:02 AM

Wiki has Neurotica listed as just Jon and Richie. But it also has Thank you for loving me's cowriters completely wrong so I don't know.

I don't recall ever hearing Supa was a co-writer on OTSG. If Supa co-wrote both Neurotica and Too Much Of A Good thing I don't know why it's far fetched to think the three of them wrote them together the same way Jon brought Richie into writing with Billy, Richie bringing in Supa isn't crazy. IF he indeed co-wrote one to say goodbye they could have all been written in the same session.

Supa's press releases wouldn't have much reason to mention working with the band if the only thing that came of those songs are buried on a box set and the bonus track of an album. His work with Aerosmith and Sambora actually made the albums.

EDIT: Apparently he co-wrote Ain't No Cure For Love as well.

bonjovi90 · #**175** 10-22-2018, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue

I missed that one. It could have come out of the US sessions as well. Thanks, Yovana!

A general question for the room:

I know we've talked about One to Say Goodbye before, but where did we get that it was written by JBJ, Sambora and Supa. I just checked ASCAP and couldn't find it listed for Supa or Sambora. I looked at every possible mutation of the title that I could think of and nada. Is it registered with one of the other PROs?

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JackieBlue · #**176** 10-22-2018, 11:20 AM

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The singer of Poets, Jimmy, had told me that

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Good enough for me.

I didn't doubt the truth of it. I was just surprised that I couldn't find it on ASCAP.

JackieBlue · #**177** 10-22-2018, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

...Supa's press releases wouldn't have much reason to mention working with the band if the only thing that came of those songs are buried on a box set and the bonus track of an album. His work with Aerosmith and Sambora actually made the albums.

EDIT: Apparently he co-wrote Ain't No Cure For Love as well.

Good point. It looks like he has an association with some other heavy hitters that they aren't listed either.

ASCAP lists JBJ/Sambora/Supa for Neurotica, Ain't No Cure, and Too Much of a Good Thing.

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

... If Supa co-wrote both Neurotica and Too Much Of A Good thing I don't know why it's far fetched to think the three of them wrote them together the same way Jon brought Richie into writing with Billy, Richie bringing in Supa isn't crazy. IF he indeed co-wrote one to say goodbye they could have all been written in the same session...

I wouldn't say far-fetched, necessarily, but if there were three batches like you said earlier, it just makes more sense to me that the Supa songs came from Richie's stockpile.

Assuming you mean Billy Falcon, and that he's just an example, I see a couple of differences. First, Falcon is all over their catalog, kinda like Desmond used to be; while Supa's songs all seem to be related to Crush (which just happens to follow on the heels of Undiscovered Soul). Second, I think Richie bringing writers into sessions 'the same way Jon did' assumes a certain equity in their partnership that I once believed existed, but that I doubt more and more as time goes on (and Jon keeps talking.)

I believe it may have been more balanced at one time, but I'm beginning to think that, starting maybe as far back as KTF, there's been a world of shit that Jon does, that doesn't necessarily work both ways. JMO.

bonjovi90 · #**178** 10-22-2018, 01:22 PM

Richie Supa being on there actually makes me think that the song might've been from the Crush sessions. All the other tunes where we know he was involved in are from the era between 1998 and 2000.
Sure, Poets released the song in 2002 or 2003 but who says that Bon Jovi didn't just give them one they had shelved from their previous album?

Captain_jovi · #**179** 10-22-2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue

Good point. It looks like he has an association with some other heavy hitters that they aren't listed either.

ASCAP lists JBJ/Sambora/Supa for Neurotica, Ain't No Cure, and Too Much of a Good Thing.

I wouldn't say far-fetched, necessarily, but if there were three batches like you said earlier, it just makes more sense to me that the Supa songs came from Richie's stockpile.

Assuming you mean Billy Falcon, and that he's just an example, I see a couple of differences. First, Falcon is all over their catalog, kinda like Desmond used to be; while Supa's songs all seem to be related to Crush (which just happens to follow on the heels of Undiscovered Soul). Second, I think Richie bringing writers into sessions 'the same way Jon did' assumes a certain equity in their partnership that I once believed existed, but that I doubt more and more as time goes on (and Jon keeps talking.)

I believe it may have been more balanced at one time, but I'm beginning to think that, starting maybe as far back as KTF, there's been a world of shit that Jon does, that doesn't necessarily work both ways. JMO.

I do hear what you're saying but there's a lot of passive aggressive jabs that makes it sound like you're turning how you view their relationship into something more complicated. I truly believed TMOAGT came from sessions with Richie until more and more songs popped up co-written by Supa in the same era. It's just more likely the three of them did it than all of them came from sessions with Richie because Jon rips people off.

Captain_jovi · #**180** 10-22-2018, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90

Richie Supa being on there actually makes me think that the song might've been from the Crush sessions. All the other tunes where we know he was involved in are from the era between 1998 and 2000.
Sure, Poets released the song in 2002 or 2003 but who says that Bon Jovi didn't just give them one they had shelved from their previous album?

VERY good point, yeah.

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