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Old 07-29-2003, 09:59 PM
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i believe It's my Life and TYFLM(we are mainly talikn' about this songs) are "to blame".
Why do you think It's My Life is "too blame" for turning people away? This just has me curious, because I think it's traditional Bon Jovi and similar to old classics such as Bad Medicine.
you think?
I can't explain it. i remember someone saying YOU GIVE LOVE A BAD NAME makes him say: raughhhhh! It's the same with Bad Medicine. It's not a NICE song like IML is.It makes you wanna scream!The guitar riffs,the drumming,the keyboards and even the bass!
Bad medicine is one of teh best Hard Rock songs of the 80s.

IML:no guitar riff,just the LIVIN' ON A PRAYER talkbox. A 3 notes solo which I can't call a solo. POP lyrics: "It's My Life and It's Now or Never,I ain't gonna Live forever,I jst want to live while i'm alive."Do you honestly call this lyrics?ok,they are optimistic but they ain't good!
I mean this are rock lyrics:"I ain’t got a fever got a permanent disease
It’ll take more than a doctor to prescribe a remedy
I got lots of money but it isn’t what I need
Gonna take more than a shot to get this poison out of me"

"Stronger,than yesterday,now theer is nothing in my way..."
You'd call them BJ lyrics right now if you wouldn't know it better!


Maybe i wasn't clear enaugh but it's like that and i'm not the only one who thinks that.
IML isn't a rock song.It's instrumental isn't rock(maybe the drumming) and it's message doesn't have that something that Livin On A Prayer has.
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Old 07-29-2003, 10:06 PM
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I don't really see how It's My Life is pop. It's in pretty much the same style as a lot of their earlier music. It's certainly commercial, but then Living on a Prayer was commercial so I don't really see where you're coming from with that.
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When I say diverse, I don't mean diverse as in completely contrasting musical styles, I mean diverse as in different from what they used to play. There aren't too many songs like Two Story Town on previous albums for example
one second you're saying they've always been commercial, then the next you're saying that what WAS 'diverse' about Crush was that they were commercial instead of how they used to be

two story town is hardly unique or diverse when it sounds exactly like Joan Osbourne's What if God was "One of Us" song also

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I don't really see how It's My Life is pop. It's in pretty much the same style as a lot of their earlier music.
not the same style at all. Please tell me you weren't bought by the simple equation that

"Talk box" + "references to Tommy & Gina" = Livin' on a Prayer

and therefore like the early albums

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I also agree that they should try doing a few faster songs, it would add a bit more variety and help stopping similar songs sounding the same.
good cos i believe you are right here
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Old 07-29-2003, 10:17 PM
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I don't think I was contradicting myself because to me, they've always been commercial. If a band gets national news coverage when their lead singer cuts his hair, that's pretty commercial to me. Perhaps we have different definitions of commercial?

My comment about Two Story Town being unique was that it was unique to Bon Jovi, obviously.

And when I compare It's My Life to past songs, like Living on a Prayer, I mean that it just gives off a pretty similar sound. They're both fairly heavy songs with an anthemic chorus, they both use the talkbox, they're both positive, they're both at around the same pace etc etc. They are identical, but you can tell just by listening to them both that they were written by Bon Jovi.
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I don't think I was contradicting myself because to me, they've always been commercial. If a band gets national news coverage when their lead singer cuts his hair, that's pretty commercial to me. Perhaps we have different definitions of commercial?

My comment about Two Story Town being unique was that it was unique to Bon Jovi, obviously.
no - not so much a contradiction but you seemed to suggest that crush was diverse because it was more pop-orientated (or commercial) but by same token said (and have said again) same is true of SWW (which is true - but then again only for maybe 4 songs from the album that were released as singles).

You mean unique in the same way Joan Osbourne's song was unique to her? ok.

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And when I compare It's My Life to past songs, like Living on a Prayer, I mean that it just gives off a pretty similar sound. They're both fairly heavy songs with an anthemic chorus, they both use the talkbox, they're both positive, they're both at around the same pace etc etc. They are identical, but you can tell just by listening to them both that they were written by Bon Jovi
i wouldn't even say LOAP is that positive - certainly not as much as it is made out to be. It's depressing in some ways if you take the story literally and just cos the chorus is uppy doesn't make the WHOLE song as such.

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They are identical, but you can tell just by listening to them both that they were written by Bon Jovi
only cos you can pick out jon's voice - musically i'd say you wouldn't necessarily tell at all.
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Old 07-29-2003, 10:31 PM
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I'm siding with Ballad, here. Just because IML is slow doesn't mean it's not rock. And it doesn't have to be complex either. Whenever I hear the song, I bob my head up and down and mouth out the lyrics. It has this tough edgy feel that pop songs lack.
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you know... i like the band because of their music and if they make music i love but it is not succesfull then i'd still like the band- but if they make crappy pop-like **** (crush) which recruits masses of fans of which bout 75% are screeming teen girls arguing about jon's ass and don't give a **** about the music then i hate them a) for recruiting majorly idiots as fans which disturb me in every way at a concert and b: (which is the most important) for making music for which listening to is a waste of time
beauitfully put! couldn't agree more

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you know... i like the band because of their music and if they make music i love but it is not succesfull then i'd still like the band- but if they make crappy pop-like **** (crush) which recruits masses of fans of which bout 75% are screeming teen girls arguing about jon's ass and don't give a **** about the music then i hate them a) for recruiting majorly idiots as fans which disturb me in every way at a concert and b: (which is the most important) for making music for which listening to is a waste of time
Ah someones bitter.....no tour this year?
he's not bitter no, he saw a show so you're point is lost there really
it wasnt a point at was a joke
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Old 07-30-2003, 12:22 AM
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The people here who call Crush pop music have obviously not listened to any chart music for a while (with good reason...it's crap).

Groups like Westlife, Blue and The Cheeky Girls produce pop music. Bon Jovi produce Rock music.

To me, the definition of pop music would be "written by someone other than the singer/s, no physical instruments (all computer music) and touched up voices to cover the fact that the artist cannot sing well".

I don't care too much about genres though, for me Bon Jovi produce Bon Jovi music, and I like it. Crush is one of my favourite albums, but it doesn't mean I don't like the other albums.
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Very Very well said Tom, and I completely agree. Bon Jovi make Bon Jovi music, and that's that. Great music.
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The people here who call Crush pop music have obviously not listened to any chart music for a while (with good reason...it's crap).

Groups like Westlife, Blue and The Cheeky Girls produce pop music. Bon Jovi produce Rock music.

To me, the definition of pop music would be "written by someone other than the singer/s, no physical instruments (all computer music) and touched up voices to cover the fact that the artist cannot sing well".

I don't care too much about genres though, for me Bon Jovi produce Bon Jovi music, and I like it. Crush is one of my favourite albums, but it doesn't mean I don't like the other albums.
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And when I say new fans, I don't mean little teenie-boppers who only know IML, but younger people who got 'introduced' to the band through Crush, then simply fell in love with the band's music.
That's me. I knew Bon Jovi had been a good band in the past and around the year 2000 my music was changing styles. As I was getting older I was progressing from stuff like Dance and Pop to Rock. I started listening to Bryan Adams, Stereophonics and Dire Straits, and was progressing to older bands such as the Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin. It's My Life gripped me, and made me turn to Bon Jovi. I got Crush, and thinking of a few Bon Jovi hits in the past got Crossroad shortly after. I then decided to collect all their albums because I knew they were a great band. I would probably have progressed to Bon Jovi eventually while getting into loads of other bands, but the It's My Life single probably made me collect the music much quicker.
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