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Old 05-12-2013, 03:54 PM
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The Box Set interviews were not boring at all. Jon telling us how he 'got it right the first time' with his wife is boring. But the Box Set interviews were really cool. We learned that Keep The Faith was supposed to be a double album. Also, Slippery was almost called Guns n Roses. There were a bunch of cool little facts. IIt's very enjoyable.

As far as the Moscow Peace thing goes. Doc was caught trying to smuggle in a truck full of marijuana which is serious shit. That festival kept him out of jail and avoided serious time.
I agree with everything you've written here...


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I agree with everything you've written here...


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You usually do. Its my attitude that bothers you.
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You usually do. Its my attitude that bothers you.
Actually, I don't usually agree with much you say... it's just the sexual chemistry that bothers *you*

Just to reiterate as well; Jon's entrance was based purely on winning fans and winning the day. The competition to be the best at this event was stifling, so I've read and lots of bands were really, really pissed off that Bon Jovi seemed to get preferential treatment from Doc. But they were the big draw of the day and if you watch the footage, you can see why.
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Actually, I don't usually agree with much you say... it's just the sexual chemistry that bothers *you*

Just to reiterate as well; Jon's entrance was based purely on winning fans and winning the day. The competition to be the best at this event was stifling, so I've read and lots of bands were really, really pissed off that Bon Jovi seemed to get preferential treatment from Doc. But they were the big draw of the day and if you watch the footage, you can see why.
Sexual Chemistry with who? You and Seb? And what? That bothers me?

Bang Your Head: The Rise and Fall of Heavy Metal:

The concert showcased the ego clashes which eventually helped lead to the collapse of glam metal shortly thereafter. Many of the bands argued over who went on before whom, and many were envious of Bon Jovi, who not only headlined the event and was far more considered to be pop music among the hard rock and heavy metal community, but also had a much more theatrical stage spectacle and longer set times; each band was supposed to do a stripped-down show with just music and no spectacular theatrics. Jon Bon Jovi supposedly offered his headlining spot to Ozzy Osbourne after Ozzy threatened to not go through with his set (a move many felt was calculated to further JBJ's 'boy next door' persona). Ozzy's set was initially scheduled before Mötley Crüe's set. Apparently, Ozzy felt his band was bigger and he should go on after Mötley Crüe. To solve the problem, Mötley Crüe went on before Ozzy but the tape was edited so it appeared Ozzy went on before Mötley Crüe to the viewers back in the U.S. Those involved in the show's production felt this was an egotistical bush move on Ozzy's behalf since this was supposed to be for charity, and left many in the rock 'n roll community confused since Ozzy and Mötley Crüe toured together for Ozzy's Bark at the Moon and Mötley Crüe's Shout at the Devil albums, respectively, and became fast friends during the tour.

The members of Mötley Crüe were so incensed about preferences shown to Bon Jovi that Tommy Lee punched manager Doc McGhee (who was also the manager for Bon Jovi) backstage at the venue (McGhee was fired shortly thereafter), opting to fly back to the US on their own. The concert was also often chided by the bands themselves as being hypocritical, as many of the musicians were drinking or using drugs at the time despite the ties with the Make a Difference Foundation.

Nevertheless, whatever happened backstage generally stayed backstage, and what went on onstage happened to turn out to be a spectacular rock festival that positively inspired people and epitomized the fall of the Soviet Union, the globalization of culture, and the glory of 1980s glam metal.[citation needed]

The event became known for inspiring the song "Wind of Change" by the Scorpions, a ballad which became a soundtrack to the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the Soviet Union, and communism in general.

Don't Blame Me: The Tales of Ozzy Osbourne states that after the event, Osbourne was given multiple bottles of Russian vodka. Ozzy drank all of them and became "beyond drunk". It was then that Osbourne attempted to kill his manager–wife Sharon Osbourne.

The Make A Difference Foundation was created by "Doc" McGee after his arrest for drug smuggling. As a condition of his parole he was to use his influence in the music world to start an anti-drug foundation. Even though Ozzy Osbourne, Richie Sambora, and most of the members of Mötley Crüe (particularly Nikki Sixx) were known for drug/alcohol abuse.
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Sexual Chemistry with who? You and Seb? And what? That bothers me?

Bang Your Head: The Rise and Fall of Heavy Metal:

The concert showcased the ego clashes which eventually helped lead to the collapse of glam metal shortly thereafter. Many of the bands argued over who went on before whom, and many were envious of Bon Jovi, who not only headlined the event and was far more considered to be pop music among the hard rock and heavy metal community, but also had a much more theatrical stage spectacle and longer set times; each band was supposed to do a stripped-down show with just music and no spectacular theatrics. Jon Bon Jovi supposedly offered his headlining spot to Ozzy Osbourne after Ozzy threatened to not go through with his set (a move many felt was calculated to further JBJ's 'boy next door' persona). Ozzy's set was initially scheduled before Mötley Crüe's set. Apparently, Ozzy felt his band was bigger and he should go on after Mötley Crüe. To solve the problem, Mötley Crüe went on before Ozzy but the tape was edited so it appeared Ozzy went on before Mötley Crüe to the viewers back in the U.S. Those involved in the show's production felt this was an egotistical bush move on Ozzy's behalf since this was supposed to be for charity, and left many in the rock 'n roll community confused since Ozzy and Mötley Crüe toured together for Ozzy's Bark at the Moon and Mötley Crüe's Shout at the Devil albums, respectively, and became fast friends during the tour.

The members of Mötley Crüe were so incensed about preferences shown to Bon Jovi that Tommy Lee punched manager Doc McGhee (who was also the manager for Bon Jovi) backstage at the venue (McGhee was fired shortly thereafter), opting to fly back to the US on their own. The concert was also often chided by the bands themselves as being hypocritical, as many of the musicians were drinking or using drugs at the time despite the ties with the Make a Difference Foundation.

Nevertheless, whatever happened backstage generally stayed backstage, and what went on onstage happened to turn out to be a spectacular rock festival that positively inspired people and epitomized the fall of the Soviet Union, the globalization of culture, and the glory of 1980s glam metal.[citation needed]

The event became known for inspiring the song "Wind of Change" by the Scorpions, a ballad which became a soundtrack to the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the Soviet Union, and communism in general.

Don't Blame Me: The Tales of Ozzy Osbourne states that after the event, Osbourne was given multiple bottles of Russian vodka. Ozzy drank all of them and became "beyond drunk". It was then that Osbourne attempted to kill his manager–wife Sharon Osbourne.

The Make A Difference Foundation was created by "Doc" McGee after his arrest for drug smuggling. As a condition of his parole he was to use his influence in the music world to start an anti-drug foundation. Even though Ozzy Osbourne, Richie Sambora, and most of the members of Mötley Crüe (particularly Nikki Sixx) were known for drug/alcohol abuse.

Absolutely, as I said. Thanks for digging that our for me, you can take the rest of the day off...
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FWIW, the videos on YouTube following the guys in the studio recording Bounce (from BJTV or something) are great. They were truly having fun there, and I don't think it was just for the camera.
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FWIW, the videos on YouTube following the guys in the studio recording Bounce (from BJTV or something) are great. They were truly having fun there, and I don't think it was just for the camera.
Yeah, I agree. They didn't seem contrived, otherwise they'd have been scripted better! It was a bunch of guys just goofing around. Loved it.
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FWIW, the videos on YouTube following the guys in the studio recording Bounce (from BJTV or something) are great. They were truly having fun there, and I don't think it was just for the camera.
I'm sure Jon could still genuinely laugh one in a while. Jon is comfortable in certain elements.

Just from what I observed. He doesn't like the business side of the industry. I don't think he's big on things like promotional interviews. And to his own defense, he's basically getting the same questions over and over again... "What’s the secret to marriage? What's the secret to longevity?"
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I dont think its anything metioned here.

I think it has a lot to do with his voice drastically deteriorating. Bon Jovi in their hayday was built on fast rock and a high wailing voice. With Jon's range drastically deteriorating and having to re-invent his voice again he realised that there was no way that he could have another "I believe, Love Song, Always, Living In Sin, In These Arms..." I think a lot of Jon's melodic song writing (lyrics aside) is based on his vocal range. This change occured in 2003 and was evident in Hyde Park when he couldn't sing for shit.

I bet What About Now would be talked about at differently if it had the same sound and screaming vocals of Keep The Faith. Because there is a lot of Keep The Faith that is prevalent in the last 2 albums.
I think you're 100% right and all the other stuff wouldn't mean half as much if he could still sing.
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