Where Should Jon's Voice Be?

It's not a confidence issue. Jon's voice is, sadly, ****ed. I hate to say it, I really do, but there's no way around it. It happens to some singers. Even Freddie Mercury's voice wasn't as good during the last tours in 1986. Listen to Who Wants to Live Forever on Live at Wembley 86 and you can hear him noticeably dodging high notes he nailed in the studio version.

This is also the case with Jon. It's wear and tear, pure and simple. That forced, nasally sound you here is him trying and failing. If you listen to Slippery era bootlegs he's in top form, but then in New Jersey there's a slight but noticeable decrease in power and range, KTF and TD were roughly the same, DA was a step down, and from Crush on it was all bad. There's the occasional standout performance, but all things equal, he needs to call it a day. It sucks well and truely, I've been a fan for 15 years, but facts are facts.

I would like to cite this as an example of topic participation for Santa Fe (Mary Beth?). I don't agree with the post's view...but he gave his opinion per the thread versus making a snide remark directed at those that have differing views.

confidence is possibly a culprit. Not talking about lack of confidence in his stage performance, but when you honestly believe you can't hit the hote and you try, you likely won't. Your mind is doing a lot of the work when you sing, no question. But if go into a note believing you can hit it, there's a better chance you will. The rest of it is his physical shape and proper vocal training/warmup. I do believe his current condition is reversable.

I'm sorry, but Freddie did not lose anything!! No artist will sing the same way they do in a studio as they do live. You tend to forget that singing live day in day out for a certain amount of time is strenuous on the voice, so they usually will sing an octave or so lower to have staying power. Freddie never sang the songs in the correct key in concert, if you need proof, watch Hyde Park 76 with the song 39 - Freddie gets Roger to sing the high notes!

Sorry, didn't mean to go off topic....

The only band I have more bootlegs of than Bon Jovi is Queen Tash. Yes, Freddie often got Roger to cover the high notes. Sensible technique. I suppose it was a bad example. Irregardless, Freddie's voice is noticeably rougher on the 1986 bootlegs, and if you listen you can hear him straining in several places on parts he would've nailed in previous tours. Compare Bohemian Rhapsody Wembley 1986 with one from the late 70s or the We Will Rock You video concert. Big difference in power.

Confidence can go no matter how long you have been doing something etc..

For example - a footballer (Michael Owen). His confidence about hitting those notes - about making it work when he goes for it & not falling flat on his face. It might explain why he plays it safe - as he isn't confident about going for it anymore.

But you tend to forget that The Magic Tour was an extremely big tour. They toured for the first time in like 2 years, hit more countries and in addition, even if Freddie's voice was worse (something I have never thought) the man already was HIV positive! But if you check his voice later, like on the Miracle or even Innuendo and Made in heaven, it is still as strong as ever.

Unfortunately, Freddie Mercury was sick. I am sure mentally he was not in the best shape, let alone physically. That is a situation that is understandable. Jon is a healthy man who is capable of more.

The only one I've ever heard drop to octave lower is Jon. Most frontmen sing the songs exactly the pitch they are written in or semi-tone lower. An octave down is only for losers.

Ice

PLease **** off santa fe, i got tired off you please go post on Bonjovi.com