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Old 07-15-2005, 02:43 PM
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Ok. I've read you're whole post Seb and pretty much agree to what you've said.

In my opinion Bon Jovi have always been a commercially driven band and in many cases it seems that rather than play the kinda stuff they want to play they move with the trend. Back in the 80s hair metal was huge and I think Bon Jovi thought they'd jump on the bandwagon. They've never been a real hard rock band, and even the heavier songs have had catchy long sing along choruses. After the year 2000 rock hasn't been what it used to be, and a lot of pop bands have been successful, so I think Bon Jovi thought that to be commercial they would have to soften up a bit. I.e. Westlife style ballads and the softer less rocky high tempo songs. In the last couple of years I think Bon Jovi have now seen a kind of rock revolution with a lot of newer bands rocking harder than them and, more importantly being more successful. Therefore the next album seems a lot heavier, in order to sell more records, because they know another Crush/Bounce style album will not sell. I'm gald that they seem to be rocking up a bit becuase the next album is a big one for me, as I, like Seb and many others was starting to lose faith after Bounce.

Sorry is someone else has said something similar, but I ain't read all the replies.
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Tell me, what truely great, stadium-filling, bands are not on auto-pilot?

I was just comparing U2's setlists, from 2 nights Paris and Amsterdam. They
are almost identical, down to the encores.
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of course everything is so planned out its a show u have to perform it spot on in front of thousands , if you didnt auto pilot the whole thing would go wrong. Dont u think performing can become boring at times also, because it can , its a job like any other.

On the whole I think he does his auto piloting very well .

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To perfrom spot on in from of thousands and autopiloting? geez. they could just as well record one performance and play it on screens.

If performing comes to the point when all they are considering is to get through the night, its time to quit. People pay to see good show, not to see worn-out boring act autopiloting. Worst part of it is that Jovi doesnt do shite to perform better. Just tune the autopilot to get through the shows with even less effort.

And he doesnt do his autopiloting well at all. Its so obvious that it is damn annoying.
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Tell me, what truely great, stadium-filling, bands are not on auto-pilot?

I was just comparing U2's setlists, from 2 nights Paris and Amsterdam. They
are almost identical, down to the encores.
But U2 doesnt appear as boring damn autopiloting act even if the setlist is similar/same. And I think U2 did change the set during tour a bit.

Just admit it, Jovi has lost the touch and will to perform well.
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But U2 doesnt appear as boring damn autopiloting act even if the setlist is similar/same. And I think U2 did change the set during tour a bit.
A bit... even the order of the songs is identical each night. But I agree that
they don't appear to be bored performing. I think they're great live, but then
again: I haven't seem them much live, so, who am I.

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Whatever happened to having different opinions?

I dó agree that the energy in a '95 show seems to be higher than any recent
show, but seeing Bon Jovi live still does the trick for me. I just don't watch
their shows over and over again, so no matter how many times they played
the same damn show: I will only see it once next tour and I'll probably go
home satisfied, as most of the other people.
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But U2 doesnt appear as boring damn autopiloting act even if the setlist is similar/same. And I think U2 did change the set during tour a bit.
A bit... even the order of the songs is identical each night. But I agree that
they don't appear to be bored performing. I think they're great live, but then
again: I haven't seem them much live, so, who am I.
True, but most artists who have the same setlists each night don't have the same setlists each tour. A Bon Jovi setlist has basically become the same every tour, The same songs return every setlist on every tour. You can't say that from U2, who on purpose put different songs in the setlist for the European leg. I don't know that many bands who end their shows with the same songs for about 20 years. Ever since Bad Rx. has been released it's been ending most shows.

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Whatever happened to having different opinions?

I dó agree that the energy in a '95 show seems to be higher than any recent
show, but seeing Bon Jovi live still does the trick for me. I just don't watch
their shows over and over again, so no matter how many times they played
the same damn show: I will only see it once next tour and I'll probably go
home satisfied, as most of the other people.
Different opinions are cool, dont get me wrong. But I still think it is quite obvious for anyone to see that there is no real effort whatsoever in Jovi performances. During the years they have managed to turn most of their tracks that used to rock into boring nothingness. Same thing with the show itself. No particular highlights, just walking through the set and off the stage. And like Seb said, its damn boring to hear the same songs every tour. Especially when performances are worse and worse every tour.
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But U2 doesnt appear as boring damn autopiloting act even if the setlist is similar/same. And I think U2 did change the set during tour a bit.
A bit... even the order of the songs is identical each night. But I agree that
they don't appear to be bored performing. I think they're great live, but then
again: I haven't seem them much live, so, who am I.
True, but most artists who have the same setlists each night don't have the same setlists each tour. A Bon Jovi setlist has basically become the same every tour, The same songs return every setlist on every tour. You can't say that from U2, who on purpose put different songs in the setlist for the European leg. I don't know that many bands who end their shows with the same songs for about 20 years. Ever since Bad Rx. has been released it's been ending most shows.

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I do agree the set lists are repetitive ... thats teh problem I think not the autopiloting, the energy is there still, but we are bored with the same setlists.

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I do agree the set lists are repetitive ... thats teh problem I think not the autopiloting, the energy is there still, but we are bored with the same setlists.

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same set equals no effort when it comes to jovi. its always even the same audience a*skissing. I wouldnt mind hearing let's say, crush tour set again, if they would put some real effort to it. some new arrangements, some spontaneous solos. they could do it u know, they have the skill. they just dont want to.

so, we are bored with boring performances. Or at least I am.
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I do agree the set lists are repetitive ... thats teh problem I think not the autopiloting, the energy is there still, but we are bored with the same setlists.

Dawn
same set equals no effort when it comes to jovi. its always even the same audience a*skissing. I wouldnt mind hearing let's say, crush tour set again, if they would put some real effort to it. some new arrangements, some spontaneous solos. they could do it u know, they have the skill. they just dont want to.

so, we are bored with boring performances. Or at least I am.
it must be difficult for them to please everyone, u are going to get a lot of people who want to here the same old songs that were huge hits, so how do you keep them happy as well as injecting new songs. I reckon they should sing 2 old favs and choose some different older songs to represent themselves from yrs ago, but who knows maybe they pick what they are able to sing easier night after night, it can take its toll on the old vocal chords.

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