Why do BJ ¢ar€ about the chart$?

I k what you're saying, but is that really important? I couldn't care less who the record contract is with. Obviously from a financial point of view, the bigger company the band can get in with the more profesional it would be... but I just don't see why people see it as they go with the biggest, or they go with nobody...

Welcome back krb...haven't seen you around in a while...

About the whole argument that flared up, I think what DonnaB was getting at was something that annoys the hell out of me too. The majority of people who post on these boards don't seem to ever have anything positive to say about the band or their efforts. I am not saying that just because you criticize them you are not a fan because I don't believe that is true. I criticize them too. Just because I am a fan, doesn't mean I am required to love everything they do or every song they play.

But I almost hate coming here anymore because it seems that all anybody does is trash the band.

Their albums suck
They don't make the right choices for singles
They're too commercial
Jon is a tyrant who is constantly slighting the rest of the band
Ritchie is a crybaby who gets no respect
Ritchie is the only talent
Jon is the only talent
Their setlists are unoriginal
They don't stay on stage long enough
They don't make songs like Runaway anymore

I don't think there is one topic where there hasn't already been a slew of insults already thrown at the band. That list is just off the top of my head, the list go on and on about what everyone thinks the band is doing wrong. Does anyone here ever think they do something right?

I'm not a "blind follower" as someone said before...I don't like everything the band does... But I do love most of it. I don't understand how some of you insist on being such die hard fans and not ever be able to say ANYTHING good about the band that you supposedly love so much.

I am all for voicing opinions...most of you know I have no problem voicing mine...but we are on an BON JOVI FANSITE and if your opinions are consistently negative against this band, on this fansite, you have to expect some backlash.

And in defense of the ones who feel insulted by DonnaB's comments, well, the statements were a little harsh and very generalized.

you're a little late - since this was not an argument anymore

99% of what they did 1983-1996 for me... so yes

do i "annoy the hell out of you"?

how is it different for some of these people who dislike the old 80s stuff to say they don't like it, but i'm not allowed to say i don't like the new stuff

is it just because this is the present???!!!

take note of how i don't go on the warpath each time someone says they don't like the first 2 albums or a particular song from the 80s...

i think you have a good way of expressing yourself personally so i don't have a problem with you

but surely you can see how it annoys me that i get slaughtered for saying i don't like bounce and they shouldn't release all about lovin' you as a single and that i don't like the short hair

but people who say (and there are quite a few) they don't like the 80s stuff as much, nor the long hair, nor releasing a particular song as a single have no trouble saying that...

Gee, I'm sorry I was at work all day...

No. I am not directing this at you or anyone else in particular. It's a general venting that has been brewing for some time now. Don't take it so personally.

That's not what I am saying. What I don't like is how some people sit here and say NOTHING about the band is ever right or good enough, yet they insist they are huge fans. They still go to their shows, but then come to this site the next day to rip apart the concert. It's like they take pride in it.

Thank you. I think you are the only one...

Yes I can understand how you would feel.

People are allowed to like what they like. I absolutely love Bounce. I think it's their best album since New Jersey and KTF. I know I am in the vast minority with that... It's the ones who don't ever, EVER have anything good to say, yet still call themselves fans.

Sorry about the ranting, but I had a horrible day at work, the man I am madly in love with left today to move to Utah (2000 freaking miles away!!!!)and I now I get to end my day with a funeral, so as you can see, I am not a happy person at the moment.

Utah eh? That's where he says he's going...

i can't think of anyone on here who doesn't like the band at all...

only people who are told that they don't have ANYTHING positive to say whatsoever, yet who are in reality people who might love These Days or just the 80s stuff

hmm for me at least..it's not about what you like and what you don't like.

It's the fact that those who aren't happy with the band, make the same points over and over. yah they're entitled to them..but Bon Jovi just cant please everyone. the people who want them to be a band that doesnt tour stadiums, and sticks to arenas, it's just not gonna happen. mmm Mike and Letitrock compare the band to Deep Purple a lot. I can tell you both love the band, but Bon Jovi Are not deep purple. I couldnt see Bon Jovi dropping their label to play smaller shows. if i found someone on the street, could they name me 3 Deep Purple songs? it's unlikey. Bon Jovi are a different type of band, no matter how much you want them to be..bah.im goin off the deep end and i mean no offence..

i don't compare them to deep purple - there's no comparison

i like both - for different reasons

i don't respect the average person in the street anyway when it comes to rock music

ask the average "rocker" if you will and he'll name you at least:

smoke on the water
jhighway star
black night
child in time
burn

and possibly also would mention the 80s Jovi - you'd be surprised how many iron maiden fans etc love the 80s bon jovi ...

you and I doesn't really agree their but...
all the things you sad was correct! fans are aloud to critizes the band and all the things the band do. if DonnaB thinks that she is the only fan here, then she can think that. i don't care...
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this is probably the fifth time I'm defending myself against this "bon jovi are so good, I can't critizes them" stuff!
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she also sad in her first post that bon jovi are legends, then will I once again ask, how many of your (everybody who reads this post...) relatives knows Richie Sambora??

the band aren't legends just because their names are known

i possibly wouldn't say van halen or deep purple are legends

the legends were people like Zeppelin who had to cut it short because of death... or Cream

I've said before I consider Slippery to be a rock classic, up with Zep 4, The Wall, Machine Head, e.t.c. For me 7800 and New Jersey are two of the best rock albums from any band..... I've said their last 2 albums suck, that's hardly saying all of them now is it!

These two go hand in hand. They're too commercial becuase they do try to apeal to a pop/charts crowd to much. I've said numerous times that they should concentrate on songs that the fans want, not just songs that will work as singles.

That's how you've read it, I've been on here quite a while now, and I've never heard anybody call Jon a tyrant. Fact: It's his band, the rest of the band are employed by Jon, it's HIS band. This always worked when Jon was one of the best vocalists and sonwritters in the world, now he's not, it just doesn't feel right. If Jon's off form, the band are off form, and imo Jon's off form way too much these days.

rubish. Ok, not everybody would have him in their top 5 guitarests, but that doesn't mean he isn't respected. He's a great gutiarest.

Again, absolute rubish. The topics in recent weeks have been much more to do with Tico being the real driving fource in the band, and just how great he is.... Taken that Tico Jon and Richie are the talented area, that leaves only David, who does nothing and is really dead wood, and Hugh, who isn't even really a full member.

How can everbody be discussing Jon being the only talent, when they also consider Richie to be the only talen? I suggest you look up the meaning of ONLY

Well they are. It's an good area for discussion.

? They do reasonably longish shows. I don't think I've seen bands I really like and woudln't have liked the show to be a little longer. Even after seeing Yes do a 3 hour show, I wanted at least another hour!

Well they don't. But, they were still writting rock songs on These Days. The point is, they've turned their back on this completely, which is what pisses off the rock fans! How can you be a rock band if you don't have rock songs!

Absolutely, read topics on things like Livin In Sin, I'll Be There For You e.t.c Again, I think somehing like Homebound Train is one of the best rock songs ever.... The thing is though, there are things I don't like about the band now, and I'm going to discuss them. I find it interesting knowing what other fans do and don't like. It would be so boring if everythign was possitive, there would be no debate! I'd also say in terms of doing things right, these have been few and far between since Crush, so yes I do think there is more bad then good at the moment. That's not to say I don't like the band, I just don't think they're anywhere near living up to their potensial, or the levels they were at in the 80's....