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the band aren't legends just because their names are known

i possibly wouldn't say van halen or deep purple are legends

the legends were people like Zeppelin who had to cut it short because of death... or Cream
their names aren't known! that was my point...
if I ask someone who rolling stones are the most people, say the band who have been playing for 40 years, have been doing massive concerts and written several unforgetable songs...

if a ask someone who bon jovi is, few people know. only if I say IML they know...
jon bon jovi many people know who it is, but not richie, so NO bon jovi aren't any legends...

btw deep purple are legends...(IMO)
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deep purple are in mine too to be honest but it's generally the ones who died or had to stop...

deep purple took a 9 year break between Come Taste The Band and Perfect Strangers...

and i think people think of the legend to be more the blackmore, gillan, lord, paice, glover
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deep purple are in mine too to be honest but it's generally the ones who died or had to stop...

deep purple took a 9 year break between Come Taste The Band and Perfect Strangers...

and i think people think of the legend to be more the blackmore, gillan, lord, paice, glover
yes you are right.

sex pistols?? Hanoi rocks? i think these are legends but thats just me... (i don't listen to six pistols, but they are still legends to me...)

both pistols and hanoi are more or less dead...
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punk legends perhaps

not rock legends
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isn't Hanoi rocklegends?

sex pistols yes...
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isn't Hanoi rocklegends?

sex pistols yes...
not in my books - though i admit i don't know that much about them... therefore not legends :P
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isn't Hanoi rocklegends?

sex pistols yes...
not in my books - though i admit i don't know that much about them... therefore not legends :P
okay... they are quite cool actually. the ugliest persons in modern music industry. uuhh..
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Their albums suck
I've said before I consider Slippery to be a rock classic, up with Zep 4, The Wall, Machine Head, e.t.c. For me 7800 and New Jersey are two of the best rock albums from any band..... I've said their last 2 albums suck, that's hardly saying all of them now is it!

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They don't make the right choices for singles
They're too commercial
These two go hand in hand. They're too commercial becuase they do try to apeal to a pop/charts crowd to much. I've said numerous times that they should concentrate on songs that the fans want, not just songs that will work as singles.

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Jon is a tyrant who is constantly slighting the rest of the band
That's how you've read it, I've been on here quite a while now, and I've never heard anybody call Jon a tyrant. Fact: It's his band, the rest of the band are employed by Jon, it's HIS band. This always worked when Jon was one of the best vocalists and sonwritters in the world, now he's not, it just doesn't feel right. If Jon's off form, the band are off form, and imo Jon's off form way too much these days.

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Ritchie is a crybaby who gets no respect
rubish. Ok, not everybody would have him in their top 5 guitarests, but that doesn't mean he isn't respected. He's a great gutiarest.

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Ritchie is the only talent
Again, absolute rubish. The topics in recent weeks have been much more to do with Tico being the real driving fource in the band, and just how great he is.... Taken that Tico Jon and Richie are the talented area, that leaves only David, who does nothing and is really dead wood, and Hugh, who isn't even really a full member.

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Jon is the only talent
How can everbody be discussing Jon being the only talent, when they also consider Richie to be the only talen? I suggest you look up the meaning of ONLY

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Their setlists are unoriginal
Well they are. It's an good area for discussion.

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They don't stay on stage long enough
? They do reasonably longish shows. I don't think I've seen bands I really like and woudln't have liked the show to be a little longer. Even after seeing Yes do a 3 hour show, I wanted at least another hour!

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They don't make songs like Runaway anymore
Well they don't. But, they were still writting rock songs on These Days. The point is, they've turned their back on this completely, which is what pisses off the rock fans! How can you be a rock band if you don't have rock songs!

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I don't think there is one topic where there hasn't already been a slew of insults already thrown at the band. That list is just off the top of my head, the list go on and on about what everyone thinks the band is doing wrong. Does anyone here ever think they do something right?
Absolutely, read topics on things like Livin In Sin, I'll Be There For You e.t.c Again, I think somehing like Homebound Train is one of the best rock songs ever.... The thing is though, there are things I don't like about the band now, and I'm going to discuss them. I find it interesting knowing what other fans do and don't like. It would be so boring if everythign was possitive, there would be no debate! I'd also say in terms of doing things right, these have been few and far between since Crush, so yes I do think there is more bad then good at the moment. That's not to say I don't like the band, I just don't think they're anywhere near living up to their potensial, or the levels they were at in the 80's....

You have obviously misunderstood the list part of my post. I wasn't listing my personal complaints about the band, I was listing the various complaints I have seen over and over on these boards from other people. But thank you for all of your sarcasm anyway...

And discussing what the band is doing (or not doing) to make you unhappy with them is one thing, but all too often I see so-called fans being very vocal about how the band "sucks" or how they should retire, etc, etc...And that's all I read - the same people over and over, and they never saying anything positive. Those are the things that bother me. I never said you couldn't ever complain about them.
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Their albums suck
I've said before I consider Slippery to be a rock classic, up with Zep 4, The Wall, Machine Head, e.t.c. For me 7800 and New Jersey are two of the best rock albums from any band..... I've said their last 2 albums suck, that's hardly saying all of them now is it!

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They don't make the right choices for singles
They're too commercial
These two go hand in hand. They're too commercial becuase they do try to apeal to a pop/charts crowd to much. I've said numerous times that they should concentrate on songs that the fans want, not just songs that will work as singles.

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Originally Posted by Jovi-obsession
Jon is a tyrant who is constantly slighting the rest of the band
That's how you've read it, I've been on here quite a while now, and I've never heard anybody call Jon a tyrant. Fact: It's his band, the rest of the band are employed by Jon, it's HIS band. This always worked when Jon was one of the best vocalists and sonwritters in the world, now he's not, it just doesn't feel right. If Jon's off form, the band are off form, and imo Jon's off form way too much these days.

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Ritchie is a crybaby who gets no respect
rubish. Ok, not everybody would have him in their top 5 guitarests, but that doesn't mean he isn't respected. He's a great gutiarest.

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Originally Posted by Jovi-obsession
Ritchie is the only talent
Again, absolute rubish. The topics in recent weeks have been much more to do with Tico being the real driving fource in the band, and just how great he is.... Taken that Tico Jon and Richie are the talented area, that leaves only David, who does nothing and is really dead wood, and Hugh, who isn't even really a full member.

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Jon is the only talent
How can everbody be discussing Jon being the only talent, when they also consider Richie to be the only talen? I suggest you look up the meaning of ONLY

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Their setlists are unoriginal
Well they are. It's an good area for discussion.

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They don't stay on stage long enough
? They do reasonably longish shows. I don't think I've seen bands I really like and woudln't have liked the show to be a little longer. Even after seeing Yes do a 3 hour show, I wanted at least another hour!

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Originally Posted by Jovi-obsession
They don't make songs like Runaway anymore
Well they don't. But, they were still writting rock songs on These Days. The point is, they've turned their back on this completely, which is what pisses off the rock fans! How can you be a rock band if you don't have rock songs!

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Originally Posted by Jovi-obsession

I don't think there is one topic where there hasn't already been a slew of insults already thrown at the band. That list is just off the top of my head, the list go on and on about what everyone thinks the band is doing wrong. Does anyone here ever think they do something right?
Absolutely, read topics on things like Livin In Sin, I'll Be There For You e.t.c Again, I think somehing like Homebound Train is one of the best rock songs ever.... The thing is though, there are things I don't like about the band now, and I'm going to discuss them. I find it interesting knowing what other fans do and don't like. It would be so boring if everythign was possitive, there would be no debate! I'd also say in terms of doing things right, these have been few and far between since Crush, so yes I do think there is more bad then good at the moment. That's not to say I don't like the band, I just don't think they're anywhere near living up to their potensial, or the levels they were at in the 80's....

You have obviously misunderstood the list part of my post. I wasn't listing my personal complaints about the band, I was listing the various complaints I have seen over and over on these boards from other people. But thank you for all of your sarcasm anyway...

And discussing what the band is doing (or not doing) to make you unhappy with them is one thing, but all too often I see so-called fans being very vocal about how the band "sucks" or how they should retire, etc, etc...And that's all I read - the same people over and over, and they never saying anything positive. Those are the things that bother me. I never said you couldn't ever complain about them.
I can only speak for myself when I say this.
I have never sad that bon jovi sucks and that they should retire. i have several time (actually everyday...) sad that what they do sucks... bounce isn't good, crush sucked big time and their tour (or what ever they want to call it...) isn't great at all. perhaps they do good shows, but they are just spinning around in the Us and central Europe. shame on bon jovi!
i think that bon jovi still has pontential to get back in the "real" business, and i hope that they will...
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. But thank you for all of your sarcasm anyway...
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And discussing what the band is doing (or not doing) to make you unhappy with them is one thing, but all too often I see so-called fans being very vocal about how the band "sucks" or how they should retire, etc, etc...And that's all I read - the same people over and over, and they never saying anything positive. Those are the things that bother me. I never said you couldn't ever complain about them.
I've not said that, and I'd say the majority of people posting haven't said that..... I think at the moment what they are doing is pretty poor by their standards, they're not writting good albums, and the set's they're playing are uninspiring, I'll have to wait to see what they're like live this year.
And yes, I think on their current form, if they can't step it up they should think about where they're going, because I don't feel they are being true to their fans. However, I want them to carry on, but actaully start to play like I know they can do, write songs like I know they can write. It isn't a case that they're not able, just look at a song like Ain't no Cure For Love, but it's just a lack of willingness to give the fans what they want.... I'd say Ain't no Cure For Love, If I COuld Make A Living out of Loving you, and Neurotica were the three best songs for Crush, but non of them made the album, this tells me Jovi just have very little direction, or rather are deffinately avoiding makeing rock records
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