Why Do You Still Post If The Band Are So Shit?

Originally Posted by Wrath Mania

First of all, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and no one is more or less of a fan whether or not they like the new song. No one should get personal about things. I see RSROCKS is getting a lot of slack for bashing the new single, but what about Supersonic? Or Iceman? Or myself or anyone else who things the single is shit? This isn't about people, it's about discussion, so let's keep it at that.

Your post though seems to almost be implying that those who dislike the song are just in denial... I assure you, nothing could be further from the truth. We really despise the single this much, and I am someone who considers Have A Nice Day as one of his favorite albums from the band. Plain and simple.


Let me break down how my thought process specifically works. Our opinion is the song sucks because musically, the song is (and the following is not opinion but fact, and I will use 'non-offensive' words to underscore this):

1. The music work is extremely simple and by-the-book, even by Bon Jovi's standards. There's no stretching out, no flexing of the musical talent they almost surely have. Compare even another post-2000 song, Make A Memory, to this. Make A Memory has an interesting build, it has some creativity. Whole Lot of Leaving has a very distinct mix. This song meanwhile is absolutely as conservative as a song can get.

2. The production is extremely generic. Compare it to Have A Nice Day, which stands out quite a bit as a song, or It's My Life, which is unmistakably Bon Jovi (note: I love both songs). WWBTF sounds like it could be from any band to me.

From these two facts, I've concluded (my opinion now) that the song is shit; that is indeed embarrassing for me to call myself a Bon Jovi fan and listen to this. It is Lost Highway LIGHT, which is something I didn't even think was possible. At least Lost Highway had a good solo. As a Bon Jovi fan, I am ****ing embarrassed when Jon yells "guitar", and Richie proceeds to do absolutely nothing. To me, that's like watching some old geezer jump into a crowd of teenagers and try to act cool, to absolutely no avail.

Furthermore, though I still hope it does not represent the album, time and trends would indicate it will. With that data in hand, my opinion becomes even more pessimistic.

Look, that's why I hate the song, and I suspect that's why many feel the same. That's how I analyze music, and the songs from Bon Jovi I love are the opposite of those two observations. If someone listens to music for different reasons, and comes to like the song, that's their prerogative.

I'm still a fan because I know, at their best, they can write and perform as well as anyone. I'm still a fan because I love the music from them that I still enjoy, to the point where they become more than just the average band to me, so I enjoy posting on a message board about them. Is that really so hard to fathom?

PS thanks for props

Originally Posted by Wrath Mania

1. The music work is extremely simple and by-the-book, even by Bon Jovi's standards. There's no stretching out, no flexing of the musical talent they almost surely have. Compare even another post-2000 song, Make A Memory, to this. Make A Memory has an interesting build, it has some creativity. Whole Lot of Leaving has a very distinct mix. This song meanwhile is absolutely as conservative as a song can get.

2. The production is extremely generic. Compare it to Have A Nice Day, which stands out quite a bit as a song, or It's My Life, which is unmistakably Bon Jovi (note: I love both songs). WWBTF sounds like it could be from any band to me.

Originally Posted by Wrath Mania

First of all, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and no one is more or less of a fan whether or not they like the new song. No one should get personal about things. I see RSROCKS is getting a lot of slack for bashing the new single, but what about Supersonic? Or Iceman? Or myself or anyone else who things the single is shit? This isn't about people, it's about discussion, so let's keep it at that.

Your post though seems to almost be implying that those who dislike the song are just in denial... I assure you, nothing could be further from the truth. We really despise the single this much, and I am someone who considers Have A Nice Day as one of his favorite albums from the band. Plain and simple.


Let me break down how my thought process specifically works. Our opinion is the song sucks because musically, the song is (and the following is not opinion but fact, and I will use 'non-offensive' words to underscore this):

1. The music work is extremely simple and by-the-book, even by Bon Jovi's standards. There's no stretching out, no flexing of the musical talent they almost surely have. Compare even another post-2000 song, Make A Memory, to this. Make A Memory has an interesting build, it has some creativity. Whole Lot of Leaving has a very distinct mix. This song meanwhile is absolutely as conservative as a song can get.

2. The production is extremely generic. Compare it to Have A Nice Day, which stands out quite a bit as a song, or It's My Life, which is unmistakably Bon Jovi (note: I love both songs). WWBTF sounds like it could be from any band to me.

From these two facts, I've concluded (my opinion now) that the song is shit; that is indeed embarrassing for me to call myself a Bon Jovi fan and listen to this. It is Lost Highway LIGHT, which is something I didn't even think was possible. At least Lost Highway had a good solo. As a Bon Jovi fan, I am ****ing embarrassed when Jon yells "guitar", and Richie proceeds to do absolutely nothing. To me, that's like watching some old geezer jump into a crowd of teenagers and try to act cool, to absolutely no avail.

Furthermore, though I still hope it does not represent the album, time and trends would indicate it will. With that data in hand, my opinion becomes even more pessimistic.

Look, that's why I hate the song, and I suspect that's why many feel the same. That's how I analyze music, and the songs from Bon Jovi I love are the opposite of those two observations. If someone listens to music for different reasons, and comes to like the song, that's their prerogative.

I'm still a fan because I know, at their best, they can write and perform as well as anyone. I'm still a fan because I love the music from them that I still enjoy, to the point where they become more than just the average band to me, so I enjoy posting on a message board about them. Is that really so hard to fathom?

PS thanks for props

Originally Posted by Jeeper

I think you misunderstand what I'm asking. I asked why is it that people who, in general, slate the band and mostly everything post 2000, keep posting. I never said they weren't entitled to. I just asked.

My post wasn't aimed specifically at RSROCKS at all. I know plenty of others dislike/hate the new song too. My questions were relevant (or irrelevant) to anyone and everyone who wants to read them and answer them. But if what i asked does not apply to you, why take exception to it? ( TO CLARIFY: IF YOU DON'T HATE/BITCH/MOAN ABOUT MOST ASPECTS OF BON JOVI POST 2000, THEN WHY THINK MY QUESTIONS WERE DIRECTED AT YOU? THEY WEREN'T!!)

I can't be arsed getting into the merits of what makes a song musically better than the next. Bob Dylan can take a few simple chords and make a masterpiece. Is that flexing musical creativity?

The point i tried to make was WWBTF is not too dissimilar to a lot of songs found on post 2000 albums, and if those albums are "shit" as a few people in here keep telling us, then why after 9yrs keep posting? When is enough, enough? I could perhaps understand someone really disliking WWBTF if it had come straight after These Days. But we've all heard enough albums this decade to realise that this is the "type" of song the band do nowadays.

How is that implying people are in denial??

The very first reply to my original post suggested it was only wrote to cause trouble and therefore would be locked. Is that how this forum works? Those who openly slag the band, some continually, are given free reign to say as they please, and those who question why they do, get accused of shit stirring? If we're all entitled to our opinions, what's the problem?

The ironic thing is, had WWBTF been an outtake we'd probably have some of those people who are slating it, instead slating the band for NOT including it on a particular album.

Again, to clarify: I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong for disliking something, I was just asking why those who constantly complain about being disappointed and let down continue to bother their arses posting about the band. Is THAT really so hard to fathom?

Originally Posted by Wrath Mania

OK, first of all, relax. You're jumping all over the place now. I never said the thread needed to be locked. We're just discussing.

1. I am one of the people who feel the band has had a major drop off of quality in the 2000 era. Like Kathleen, there's still a few songs on each album I tend to really like. For instance, I agree with those who say Bounce is one of the most laughable albums ever to come from a major band (well, not nearly as bad as U2's last album, but I digress). But Undivided and Hook Me Up are two of my favorite Jovi songs. Similarly, I think Lost Highway sucks, but Whole Lot of Leavin' is probably one of the best songs they've ever written.

As far as why those of us who feel the band's work has stunk, yet we still post here... again, I feel both Kathleen and I gave pretty legit answers to that: the band has become more than just another band to us, so we enjoy discussing it in a community. The fact we may be letdown by the band's more recent outings does not change that. I'm sure many feel this way.

2. I can't be arsed to respond to anything that compares the quality of WWBTF to Bob Dylan...

3. I know at least I for one would be very glad if this song remained an outtake. In fact, I garauntee everyone who dislikes the song would feel the same way. Again, you say you say you weren't stating we were in denial about the song's quality, yet then you state something like this.

4. Okay, I agree, we should expect this kind of music from the band by now. We also shouldn't believe Jon when he tells us the album's going to be a "riff rock" album, because god knows what his definition of that is. But what you're basically saying is this: We should resign ourselves to what the band currently puts out, and even not feel angry when the band's frontman promises us the filet mignon, but proceeds to deliver the salisbury steak.

I do find that hard to fathom...