Would things be better with Sex Sells?

kenobi_on_a_prayer · #31 07-28-2008, 01:59 PM

It's My Life is hardly the greatest song of all time (as I'm sure you all know). But it is a very good single. If that makes sense.

As for Crush, I feel that the album, like Bounce had more potential than what it ended up delivering.

vogelworld · #32 07-28-2008, 04:58 PM

I stumbled across "The Making of Crush" on YouTube the other day. It's posted their in about 9 parts. Very, very good. Just type "The Making of Crush" in the search box and you'll find it.

Enjoy!

Eastwick · #33 07-28-2008, 06:11 PM

I think the main direction would have been the same. Looking at demos and outtakes from the boxset, tell us that the songs are in the same musical area.
Rivers Run Dry is a These Days outtake I think. They MUST have recorded that during TD era or on TD tour. Same same goes for The One That Got Away, that can't be from '99.

So what do we have left? "Crushsounding" songs

hackster73 · #34 07-28-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Eastwick

I think the main direction would have been the same. Looking at demos and outtakes from the boxset, tell us that the songs are in the same musical area.
Rivers Run Dry is a These Days outtake I think. They MUST have recorded that during TD era or on TD tour. Same same goes for The One That Got Away, that can't be from '99.

So what do we have left? "Crushsounding" songs

Difficult to know really, they also left a heap of songs off the box set. Some we may see in the future ,I guess, and some they obviously just did not want to include.

Rob · #35 07-28-2008, 09:08 PM

IML was the song that made me into a Jovi fan. The only problem is that Bon Jovi had pretty much tried to remake it ever since.

bjcrazycpa · #36 07-28-2008, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eastwick

I think the main direction would have been the same. Looking at demos and outtakes from the boxset, tell us that the songs are in the same musical area.
Rivers Run Dry is a These Days outtake I think. They MUST have recorded that during TD era or on TD tour. Same same goes for The One That Got Away, that can't be from '99.

So what do we have left? "Crushsounding" songs

The One That Got Away, if I remember correctly, was supposed to be used for the movie, Message In Bottle which came out around 1999/2000. So, I think 1999 is correct for that song.

deb

Captain Walrus · #37 07-30-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hackster73

These are some of the songs, date wise, according to BJ.com that were written at between 1996-1999 that may have been included:

THESE ARMS ARE OPEN ALL NIGHT (Unreleased demo circa 1998 recorded with the Big Dogs in New Jersey.)
I GET A RUSH (Unreleased demo circa 1996.) Recorded in New Jersey.
SOMEDAY JUST MIGHT BE TONIGHT (Unreleased demo circa 1996.) Recorded in New Jersey.
GARAGELAND (Unreleased demo from 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
MAYBE SOMEDAY (Unreleased demo from 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
LAST CHANCE TRAIN (Unreleased demo from circa 1998.) Recorded in Los Angeles with Aerosmith's Joe Perry on guitar.
RICH MAN LIVING IN A POOR MAN'S HOUSE (Unreleased demo from 1998.) Recorded in New Jersey and Los Angeles with Dave Stewart.
ONE THAT GOT AWAY (Unreleased demo from 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
YOU CAN SLEEP WHILE I DREAM (Unreleased demo circa 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
SHUT UP AND KISS ME (Unreleased demo from 1997.) Recorded in New Jersey with the Big Dogs.
CRAZY LOVE (Unreleased demo from 1998.) Recorded in Los Angeles and New Jersey.
ORDINARY PEOPLE (Previously released b-side from 2000's CRUSH album.) Recorded in New Jersey.
SATELLITE (Unreleased demo from 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
REAL LIFE (Movie soundtrack from 1999's EDTV.) Recorded in New York City (at Avatar Studios, which had originally been the Power Station where Jon Bon Jovi had started his music career as a gofer) and New Jersey. It was remixed for inclusion in the box set.
TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING
(Unreleased demo from 1999 prior to CRUSH album.) Recorded in New Jersey.
RIVER RUNS DRY (Unreleased demo from 1996.) Recorded in New Jersey.
KIDNAP AN ANGEL (Unreleased demo from 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
TEMPTATION (Int'l b-side from CRUSH album in 2000.) Recorded in New Jersey.
ALL I WANNA DO IS YOU (Unreleased demo from 1997.) Recorded in New Jersey.

On top of that there are other B sides on the singles from Crush.

Looking at some of these songs I feel there could have been a much stronger overall album.

I still refuse to believe that some of those songs were recorded in that era. Satellite especially

I agree with Captain Jovi, Sex Sells may have been a stronger album than Crush, but, looking at these demos, it wouldn't have been an "all out rock record". Hell, the most all out rock song from that era is probably One Wild Night, and that actually made the album (although, I Could Make A Living Out Of Loving You and Neurotica are both pretty heavy too)

But, although opinions on Crush are very mixed, it did exactly what it needed to do .... launched Bon Jovi into the 21st Century with a whole generation of new fans and a massive selling album. I just can't imagine, from the tracks we've heard from it, that Sex Sells would have done the same. Of course, on the other other hand, that might have meant that the band didn't continue trying to appeal to the more casual market, as they seem to have done from Crush onwards, so that might not have been a bad thing. Ah, I dunno

kenobi_on_a_prayer · #38 07-30-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Walrus

But, although opinions on Crush are very mixed, it did exactly what it needed to do .... launched Bon Jovi into the 21st Century with a whole generation of new fans and a massive selling album. I just can't imagine, from the tracks we've heard from it, that Sex Sells would have done the same. Of course, on the other other hand, that might have meant that the band didn't continue trying to appeal to the more casual market, as they seem to have done from Crush onwards, so that might not have been a bad thing. Ah, I dunno

I dunno either but I agree with this post.

FWIW I Don't Wanna Live Forever is a better song than It's My Life (IMO), but wouldn't have been half as successful (also IMO).

Supersonic · #39 07-30-2008, 07:48 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by The Walrus

But, although opinions on Crush are very mixed, it did exactly what it needed to do .... launched Bon Jovi into the 21st Century with a whole generation of new fans and a massive selling album. I just can't imagine, from the tracks we've heard from it, that Sex Sells would have done the same. Of course, on the other other hand, that might have meant that the band didn't continue trying to appeal to the more casual market, as they seem to have done from Crush onwards, so that might not have been a bad thing. Ah, I dunno

Crush was only such a big success because of It's My Life and Bon Jovi being away for so long. Had It's My Life not been the first single, but Say It Isn't So (which they wanted to be the first single) it wouldn't have sold half as many copies. The songs on Crush have nothing to do with what the people wanted. The people just wanted the album with It's My Life on it. If the songs on Crush were the reason of the success of Crush, why didn't Say It Isn't So and Thank You For Loving Me bring Crush back in the charts?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Captain Walrus · #40 07-30-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

Crush was only such a big success because of It's My Life and Bon Jovi being away for so long. Had It's My Life not been the first single, but Say It Isn't So (which they wanted to be the first single) it wouldn't have sold half as many copies. The songs on Crush have nothing to do with what the people wanted. The people just wanted the album with It's My Life on it. If the songs on Crush were the reason of the success of Crush, why didn't Say It Isn't So and Thank You For Loving Me bring Crush back in the charts?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

I don't dispute that, but I don't know about you, but if I heard a song I liked from a band I didn't own any albums of, bought the album that the song is on, and liked no other songs on it, it wouldn't inspire me to become a "fan". IML may have been responsible for Crush selling loads, but I don't think you can say it singlehandedly made thousands of new fans

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