Your opinion on a Walls sounding album.

Javier · #41 03-25-2018, 02:11 PM

I think an album full of songs like Walls would make all the videos as funny as the Walls one. Seeing Phil rocking out flipping his hair and playing his guitar like he means it yet, basically no guitar sound in the chorus is pretty funny....

rokenrola · #42 03-25-2018, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

I'd say let's look at the numbers:

First number is amount of tickets sold according to Bon Jovi, second number is the official capacity. Both numbers are rounded off.

Stadion Maksimir: 33:000/60.000 = 45% not sold
Ostrahege: 25.000/80.000 = 70% not sold
Munich: 68.000/69.000 = 2% not sold
Ullevaal: 31.000/35.000 = 12% not sold
Olympic Stadion: 45.000/45.000 = sold out
Casa Arena: 30.000/10.000 = Pretty impressive numbers. Yes, this is official.
Murrayfield: 55.000/67.000 = 18% not sold
Old Trafford: 42.000/50.000 = 16% not sold
Hyde Park: 42.000/50.000 = 16% not sold
Ashton Gate Stadium: 20.000/27.000 = 25% not sold
RDS: 68.000/70.000 = 4% not sold
Türk Telekom Arena: 35.000/50.000 = 30% not sold
Piața Constituției: 50.000/80.000 = 38% not sold
Esprit Arena: 55.000/65.000 = 15% not sold
Letzigrund Stadium: 37.000/50.000 = 26% not sold
Maimarkt-Gelände: 40.000/80.000 = 50% not sold
Stadio Friuli: 40.000/25.000 = Yep, again, official numbers. Impressive, eh?
Olympic Stadium: 60.000/70.000 = 14% not sold
Ernst Happel Stadium: 55.000/60.000 = 8% not sold
Zeebrugge Beach: 25.000/50.000 = 50% not sold
Estadi Olímpic Lluís Companys: 40.000/65.000 = 39% not sold
Anoeta Stadium: 35.000/40.000 = 12% not sold
Bela Vista Park: 60.000/80.000 = 25% not sold

Out of the entire list 3 shows sold more than 90% of the tickets.

As for the Because We Can tour...Several venues (Slane Castle, Olympic Stadium in Berlin, Bela Vista Park, Stade de Suisse, Hampden Park) were half full, which is why two were rescheduled to smaller venues (Waldbühne in Berlin for one, I've forgotten the other show), which even then weren't sold out. As for other shows; They were booked for smaller venues as well, which they subsequently didn't sell out either.

Going by how well the band did on the Because We Can tour, how well the latest record did, and how many hits they've had the last 10 years there's no reason to believe they'd be able to sell as many tickets as they did in 2013, let alone 2011. Jon wants a high fee but it won't cover the expenses made by other parties as most people over here just aren't willing to pay over 80 Euro's for a ticket. Bon Jovi have become a financial liability when it comes to booking them for the bigger venues.

Now mind you, I'm not saying Bon Jovi are a small player, but they are nowhere near the league of the Rolling Stones, U2, Guns N' Roses, AC/DC, Metallica and even Coldplay are. A thing all these bands have in common is how they either haven't saturated the market, their studio output is still rated relevant, their shows didn't get worse, nor do they ask for high ticket prices. Bon Jovi have done all four, thus they lose out in the end.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

those numbers are not accurate,depending on what kind of stage is and where to put it on stadium determinates how much tickets are sold,like stadium Maksimir in Croatia,that number you mention is when stage is in the center of stadium,I think between 5-10 000 more could fit in more,maybe 45 000 at best,so every other number you mention is in same position to disscuss.
About league mention above,they are all different bands so can be compared,like you say some of them have relevant studio output(I think only Coldplay because of new generations),some of them are nostalgia act(GnR,ACDC9,some of them are living circus(Stones),they all good and best in something. BJ saturated markets by touring too much.yes. I think every artist you named have higher tickets price in general,shows didnt get worse,they are good for me,but someone have big expectations so understand that.
Coldplay are slower version of U2,for me boring to death,U2 last couple fo albums are also going down but like I say before their music is for masses,BJ music not so,Metallica is also living on glory like every old bands and they dont touring as much as BJ,not even as U2,thea are still good,ACDC id the freaking same for 40 years but good,GnR without Slash are nowhere near as they now,with other key members of GnR,but also living on the past.

rokenrola · #43 03-25-2018, 04:39 PM

I am not saying BJ are genius,the best but they are still out there and doing shows,could they do that better? maybe but today BJ is good enough for many out there.
I contacted some of the fans from shows in America via FB and I choose men over women to avoid "women like BJ even when BJ farts" and they say they are good and the shows are almost sold out,and they sound great together and those men are fans of the band like Metallica,Van Halen,GnR,Aerosmith etc.
I would pay to see this BJ in Europe next year,I like the new songs,I mean THINFS and 2 new also.

steel_horse75 · #44 03-25-2018, 05:38 PM

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Sonic. I agree with almost everything but GNR are nostalgia act and almost dead from 1993 on. I would say ACDC are the same nostalgia act like GNR, nothing impressive for 20 years.....
Coldplay, U2 still doing albums and yes they are still relevant.
I still respect BJ for what they done in 30+ years and they deserve to be in that league with Stones, U2, Boss.

How are GNR a nostalgia act? Ok they only have 3 original members....just like Jovi so you’re saying Bon Jovi are a nostalgic act as well?
But the GNR 3 members include the most wanted 2, Axl and Slash. I’m glad Duffs there as he’s superb. I’m gutted Adler isn’t there. Izzy is just odd.

Gnr have released far less than jovi but jovi have release a ton of shite for last 18 years. Less is sometimes more.

rokenrola · #45 03-25-2018, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75

How are GNR a nostalgia act? Ok they only have 3 original members....just like Jovi so you’re saying Bon Jovi are a nostalgic act as well?
But the GNR 3 members include the most wanted 2, Axl and Slash. I’m glad Duffs there as he’s superb. I’m gutted Adler isn’t there. Izzy is just odd.

Gnr have released far less than jovi but jovi have release a ton of shite for last 18 years. Less is sometimes more.

GnR are nostalgia act,their last album with original members "The Spaghetti Incident?" (1993),they are now together for business and make money not because they like each other. As long as band realised new material and promote that htey are not nostalgia but all old bands live on glory past and old songs.

Supersonic · #46 03-26-2018, 06:54 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by rokenrola

those numbers are not accurate,depending on what kind of stage is and where to put it on stadium determinates how much tickets are sold,like stadium Maksimir in Croatia,that number you mention is when stage is in the center of stadium,I think between 5-10 000 more could fit in more,maybe 45 000 at best,so every other number you mention is in same position to disscuss.

Look, if you're going to question official numbers just to make your point there's no point in trying to discuss this. The attendance number is the number of people who bought a ticket to see the band. It's the official attendance number provided by the official concert promoter. The next number is the official (concert) capacity, just rounded off.

But hey, if Bon Jovi was truly sold out at Stadium Maksimir, like you say, then why is it how Robbie Williams was able to do a show in front of 45.000 people while Bon Jovi had "just" 33.000 people in attendance? Neither had a stage in the center of the stadium. And even if Stadium Maksimir's concert capacity isn't up to 60.000 it's absolutely above the 33.000 Bon Jovi says it is, meaning Bon Jovi just did not sell out at all in Croatia.

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Originally Posted by rokenrola

I think every artist you named have higher tickets price in general,shows didnt get worse,they are good for me,but someone have big expectations so understand that.

I never said other acts didn't have high ticket prices. I said Bon Jovi has all 4; An irrelvant album, no hits, high ticket prices and and a decline in quality when it comes to their live show. What we've got is an album that tanked, singles with no airplay, ticket prices above 100 Euro and a live show everyone agrees is a lot worse compared to just 5 years ago.

I'd say out of all the other big bands there's no act out there with the same demise in quality like Bon Jovi. They're like the soccer player who thinks he's worth a lot of money while he hasn't scored a goal in years.

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Coldplay are slower version of U2,for me boring to death

Your personal preference doesn't matter. I don't like Coldplay either. I think Axl Rose sounds like ass. I think U2 are overrated. The fact remains though how they're a bigger act than Bon Jovi is nowadays.

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Originally Posted by rokenrola

U2 last couple fo albums are also going down but like I say before their music is for masses,BJ music not so,

Bon Jovi's music not for the masses? They're a very commercial rock band, willing to sacrifice their artistic integrity over radio airplay. How's that not for the masses?

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Originally Posted by rokenrola

Metallica is also living on glory like every old bands and they dont touring as much as BJ not even as U2

Metallica's done about 700 shows in the last 18 years. Bon Jovi's done about 730. U2 has done about 620. How's that for Metallica not touring as much as Bon Jovi and U2?

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Originally Posted by rokenrola

,thea are still good,ACDC id the freaking same for 40 years but good,GnR without Slash are nowhere near as they now,with other key members of GnR,but also living on the past.

What's this got to do with anything? Whether you personally like an act or not, it doesn't really matter when bringing up the simple fact how Bon Jovi just aren't as massive as many people like to believe. It's hard to discuss all this with you as you either bring in other irrelevant arguments or tend to twist the facts as you see fit just to make your point. Discussions don't really work that way.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Captain_jovi · #47 03-26-2018, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75

How are GNR a nostalgia act? Ok they only have 3 original members....just like Jovi so you’re saying Bon Jovi are a nostalgic act as well?
But the GNR 3 members include the most wanted 2, Axl and Slash. I’m glad Duffs there as he’s superb. I’m gutted Adler isn’t there. Izzy is just odd.

Gnr have released far less than jovi but jovi have release a ton of shite for last 18 years. Less is sometimes more.

But you're contradicting yourself on this point. The fact that they're not putting out new material puts them in the nostalgia zone regardless of the quality of it. Because Bon Jovi is putting out new albums I would say GnR fall more into nostalgia territory than Bon Jovi.

rokenrola · #48 03-27-2018, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

Look, if you're going to question official numbers just to make your point there's no point in trying to discuss this. The attendance number is the number of people who bought a ticket to see the band. It's the official attendance number provided by the official concert promoter. The next number is the official (concert) capacity, just rounded off.

But hey, if Bon Jovi was truly sold out at Stadium Maksimir, like you say, then why is it how Robbie Williams was able to do a show in front of 45.000 people while Bon Jovi had "just" 33.000 people in attendance? Neither had a stage in the center of the stadium. And even if Stadium Maksimir's concert capacity isn't up to 60.000 it's absolutely above the 33.000 Bon Jovi says it is, meaning Bon Jovi just did not sell out at all in Croatia.

I never said other acts didn't have high ticket prices. I said Bon Jovi has all 4; An irrelvant album, no hits, high ticket prices and and a decline in quality when it comes to their live show. What we've got is an album that tanked, singles with no airplay, ticket prices above 100 Euro and a live show everyone agrees is a lot worse compared to just 5 years ago.

I'd say out of all the other big bands there's no act out there with the same demise in quality like Bon Jovi. They're like the soccer player who thinks he's worth a lot of money while he hasn't scored a goal in years.

Your personal preference doesn't matter. I don't like Coldplay either. I think Axl Rose sounds like ass. I think U2 are overrated. The fact remains though how they're a bigger act than Bon Jovi is nowadays.

Bon Jovi's music not for the masses? They're a very commercial rock band, willing to sacrifice their artistic integrity over radio airplay. How's that not for the masses?

Metallica's done about 700 shows in the last 18 years. Bon Jovi's done about 730. U2 has done about 620. How's that for Metallica not touring as much as Bon Jovi and U2?

What's this got to do with anything? Whether you personally like an act or not, it doesn't really matter when bringing up the simple fact how Bon Jovi just aren't as massive as many people like to believe. It's hard to discuss all this with you as you either bring in other irrelevant arguments or tend to twist the facts as you see fit just to make your point. Discussions don't really work that way.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

first - I didnt say they sold out Maksimir,about 10 000 tickets more could be sell out;
second - your opinion about decline BJ is only yours like mine is that they are good still but older and natural they go downhill;
third Metallica is done 620 shows from 2000 to 2018 including all dates hardwired tour;
fourth-BJ are big no matter about comparison with Stones,U2,Metallica or Springsteen,even be in this company of bands is big thing,no matter who is better,they achieved many thing others bands didnt so for me they will always be in top 5 active rock bands today.

Supersonic · #49 03-27-2018, 03:50 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by rokenrola

first - I didnt say they sold out Maksimir,about 10 000 tickets more could be sell out;

Really? Here's what you wrote a couple of days ago:

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Originally Posted by rokenrola

I dont agree with "In 2011, most of the European stadium/open field concerts were far from sold out"-take a look a videos from that period on youtube,not sold out but 90% for sure yes.

I then try to explain to you this is not the case by providing actual numbers, and you go on disagreeing with the numbers and then say they could've sold 10.000 more tickets. So what is it? 90% full or 10.000 more tickets?

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Originally Posted by rokenrola

second - your opinion about decline BJ is only yours like mine is that they are good still but older and natural they go downhill;

Your opinion is they're going downhill and my opinion is their show's gotten worse. Seems to me we agree here. Again, what's your point?

Doing these setlist graphs in the tour section often reminds me how relatively good a previous tour was. The Because We Can Tour was awful for Bon Jovi standards, yet compare it to the THINFS tour and you're automatically wishing the band was still this good. For every show on the THINFS tour there's been at least 5 better ones in the last 10 years. Further on, your "natural decline" isn't there with most other big acts out there. I've seen Metallica play several times since 2004 and the last show I saw was miles better than the one I saw in 2004. Sure, most of them aren't as good as let's say 20 years ago, but none of them suffered the same decline Bon Jovi went through in the last few years.

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third Metallica is done 620 shows from 2000 to 2018 including all dates hardwired tour;

And?

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fourth-BJ are big no matter about comparison with Stones,U2,Metallica or Springsteen,even be in this company of bands is big thing,no matter who is better,they achieved many thing others bands didnt so for me they will always be in top 5 active rock bands today.

Again, your personal preference is irrelevant. You can't make up your own conditions as you see fit just so you're able to make your point. The original question is as to why people still compare Bon Jovi with the other big bands out there, while they're easily one of the smaller touring acts out there nowadays. The numbers speak for themselves. Everything else you bring in such as categories for rock bands, amount of times toured, what music they make is irrelevant. It really isn't that hard to understand.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

brunorc21 · #50 03-27-2018, 04:31 PM

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It really shocks me to see people comparing Bon Jovi’s current popularity with bands like u2, Maiden and Metallica.

In 2010, they have to give away a lot of tickets to avoid empty spaces on their O2 Residency. They sold out one night in Sao Paulo, but you could still buy tickets 3 days before the show. Rio was only half full.

In 2011, most of the European stadium/open field concerts were far from sold out.

In 2013 they played for half empty stadiums in Europe, and decided to go places tbey hadn’t played for a long long time in order to sell more tickets.

Now on the other hand ... when U2 announced their first show in Sao Paulo last year, it sold out in 2 hours, and they added 3 more, which also sold out very quickly (stadium shows).

If you go to the streets nowadays in Brazil and ask random people the following question:

Hey, do you know that XXX is playing here this year ?

60% will answer:

U2 , Metallica, Maiden : yeah, they are great !
Bon Jovi : really? Does he still play ?

Even on the media. There is big coverage on tv and on the radio of these bands arriving, with interviews and bla bla bla ... When is Bon Jovi, there is almost nothing.

That´s not entirely true. Bon Jovi concert in a Sao Paulo festival last year were the only festival day that was sold out among Guns n Roses, Aerosmith and The Who as others headliners. Bon Jovi in Rock in Rio in 2013, was the first day to sold out (among Beyonce, Muse, Justin Timberlake, Metallica, Bruce Springsteen and Iron Maiden)

Bon Jovi have a big media coverage in Brazil and right now Blaze Of Glory it´s the current soundtrack of the biggest soap opera in the country.

Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam just finished their tours in Brazil and they were giving tickets away like crazy.

Is it U2 bigger than Bon Jovi in Brazil? Yes, but Bon Jovi still can do better than 99% of the acts in South America.

I can´t tell about other countries, but Bon Jovi it´s still a stadium act worldwide (Europe, South America, Australia, Asia, Africa and a few places in USA if they want to), even if it´s a not a sold out concert anymore in the majority of places.

Your opinion on a Walls sounding album.

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