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Old 02-03-2011, 01:17 AM
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IMO, you're wrong. It's not JUST North America, not JUST Japan, JUST South America, or JUST Europe. It's all of them. Without North America, they probably wouldn't be successful at all. They are from here. They got started here. Their music made it to Europe, and it did well there too. Same with Japan, South America. All parts of the world were/are essential to their success. So to single out one region isn't fair.

I'm with Deb in saying that the "US vs. the World" debates are annoying. The fans from America may very well enjoy the concert as much as Europeans, South Americans, etc. They just don't show it as much. You don't need to jump like a maniac and scream to be a true rock fan.
I am NOT wrong ..... the person you call deb ... wrote **Without the people in Noth America and possibly Japan they wouldn't be the successful touring band. ** to me this is wrong ... because restrictive

I just said it is unrealistic to say .. THIS IS AMERICA AND JAPAN that made jovi success... this is mrs bongiovi that made jon ... beside this , the rest is stupid ... sorry but , they are american so america made them is totally restrictive .. they are human so the planet made them ...

I didn't make any restriction myself .... if anyone made those restrictive comments it's bonjovifreak and johny ... sorry but it is annoying..I didn't single out at all ....

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Old 02-03-2011, 01:26 AM
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I am NOT wrong ..... the person you call deb ... wrote **Without the people in Noth America and possibly Japan they wouldn't be the successful touring band. ** to me this is wrong ... because restrictive
She did not say anything about restricting it to just them. She just said that if it were just Europe, Australia, South America and other countries, they probably wouldn't be as successful.

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I just said it is unrealistic to say .. THIS IS AMERICA AND JAPAN that made jovi success... this is mrs bongiovi that made jon ... beside this , the rest is stupid ... sorry but , they are american so america made them is totally restrictive .. they are human so the planet made them ...

I didn't make any restriction myself .... if anyone made those restrictive comments it's bonjovifreak and johny ... sorry but it is annoying
I think you took that part too literally. I was talking about the start of their success, not their parents, erm, reproduction. I wasn't restrictive myself. I was saying that their success began in America, but with the aid of Europe, South America, Japan and the rest of the world, the success grew into what it is today.
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I have nothing against North America. I just think they tour there more than it's needed, the same cities as last year.. There are more destinations in Europe where they could go. They can do arenas if that's better for them. The note about South America comes from my astonishment from the Rio show. Real rock show. No ****ing seats and clapping after song. I'm sorry of if anyone feels offended but that's how I see the difference between show on different continents or in different states.
I agree that they shouldn't play the same places without going to places that they haven't been in three years or more. Everybody deserves to see the band but its the way things are planned out. When I look around and see no participation especially from the people in the back, I shake my head because I am the total opposite. I wish I could go to Europe this summer instead of paying the money I did for the last two years.
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She did not say anything about restricting it to just them. She just said that if it were just Europe, Australia, South America and other countries, they probably wouldn't be as successful.


I think you took that part too literally. I was talking about the start of their success, not their parents, erm, reproduction. I wasn't restrictive myself. I was saying that their success began in America, but with the aid of Europe, South America, Japan and the rest of the world, the success grew into what it is today.
just show me where I was wrong i what I posted ... you told me = you are wrong ! quoting me on nothing ... I don't see anything I posted that was wrong per se or even wrong meaning against your opinion ... I just say to bonjovifreak that I don't agree with the comment without america and japan ( maybe) the band would not be successful today .... .. this is wrong because based on something that is not factual ...

It seems bon jovi sold 120 millions albums world wide .... (not sure how reliable it is) but RIAA ranked bon jovi #40 or something among the best sellers with 34 millions albums in the usa ... ... it means the rest of the planet bought 70/90 millions .. this is giving you a good scale of who made bon jovi successful if anyone want to enter that discussion ..I didn't make the comment merely replied to it .... to say the usa made bon jovi a successful band is probably not more true than saying they should just tour south america
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She did not say anything about restricting it to just them. She just said that if it were just Europe, Australia, South America and other countries, they probably wouldn't be as successful.


I think you took that part too literally. I was talking about the start of their success, not their parents, erm, reproduction. I wasn't restrictive myself. I was saying that their success began in America, but with the aid of Europe, South America, Japan and the rest of the world, the success grew into what it is today.
Thanks for trying to clear that up for others. Their success began in the US and the rest came after. If I said something that isn't true correct me. I am not saying that the other countries had no influence just that they were a homegrown band. I can't remember when they toured outside of America and what kind of impact it had.
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just show me where I was wrong i what I posted ... you told me = you are wrong ! quoting me on nothing ... I don't see anything I posted that was wrong per se or even wrong meaning against your opinion ... I just say to bonjovifreak that I don't agree with the comment without america and japan ( maybe) the band would not be successful today .... .. this is wrong because based on something that is not factual ...

It seems bon jovi sold 120 millions albums world wide .... (not sure how reliable it is) but RIAA ranked bon jovi #40 or something among the best sellers with 34 millions albums in the usa ... ... it means the rest of the planet bought 70/90 millions .. this is giving you a good scale of who made bon jovi successful if anyone want to enter that discussion ..I didn't make the comment merely replied to it .... to say the usa made bon jovi a successful band is probably not more true than saying they should just tour south america
Ok, I admit it I reacted to Johny's post the way out of annoyance and my bad mood. Forgive me, I am human. I read that they have sold 130 million albums. I also found this. The group found themselves opening for Scorpions in U.S. and for Kiss in Europe. In August of 1984 the band made an appearance at the Super Rock Festival as a special guest in Japan. However, "Runaway" became a hit and Bon Jovi attracted the attention in Japan. Bon Jovi got the very first gold disc for their first album in Japan. The album peaked at #43 on the Billboard 200 album chart in U.S. and a year after its release, it was certified Gold by RIAA. So it was Japan.
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And we can add Ottawa to my list of Jovi shows this year!
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Thanks for trying to clear that up for others. Their success began in the US and the rest came after. If I said something that isn't true correct me. I am not saying that the other countries had no influence just that they were a homegrown band. I can't remember when they toured outside of America and what kind of impact it had.
Their real succes started in Japan. Then America followed as they picked up on their Japanese succes. Before that, Runaway was just a single of one of the many new hair bands back then.

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So no news yet for April - rumored to be in South East Asia? Did they mention those dates are the last?
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I am sorry I reacted too strongly on here but Twinfan quoted ME wrongly saying I was *wrong*

if anyone should have been quoted then it should not have been me (telling me I was wrong )...in that post I was quoted while I didn't say anything *wrong* ... TF jumped on conclusion about what I said without actually reading .... no big deal but it annoyed me he was correcting me upon something I didn't say ...
I understand they are an american band but even in the 80's they had a good success world wide it's not like it was just in the usa ...but yes the usa response was big so they could explode outside instead of staying a just americano/ american band that would have die very fast ....but I am not even sure of that as their first single was not just an usa one but already it was world wide...
I DO understand what you meant too about the former message saying no need to bother visiting the usa they should stick to south america ...I didn't say that nor I THINK that ... but I was singled out as WRONG ... ... truly annoying

I though mentionned that they are touring the same cities again (with a few new stuff added like a memphis) and that safe path is getting old now

but well ... peace ...
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