[symbeline]

I'm attaching the original setlist (I don't have the time to figure out how to capture a decent snapshot), crossed out songs were NYD and RYH


This is the source: https://youtu.be/uvXkwJ1B_s0?t=59

[CLEYoungGun21]

Originally Posted by Captmorgs

Maybe the recording was supposed to play in their IEM's (to play along with) and accidentally got played over the PA?


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I want to agree with this, but let's think about Phil playing a solo live with the studio version in his ears...I'm no guitar player, but that would really throw me off.

I just rewatched my video from the Cleveland show, doesn't sound like the studio vocals are there. I can see how one might hear that, because I think Everette is covering that vocal.


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[efpg0708]

Originally Posted by symbeline

I'm attaching the original setlist (I don't have the time to figure out how to capture a decent snapshot), crossed out songs were NYD and RYH


This is the source: https://youtu.be/uvXkwJ1B_s0?t=59

So now we know that the dots represent the song with backing tracks.

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by efpg0708

So now we know that the dots represent the song with backing tracks.

I think it's already been discussed here (or maybe somewhere else, can't remember) but I'm sure it's "common knowledge" that all the songs with dots have or have had in the past some backing tracks.

More tech stuff here around the 4:22 mark, I tried to capture a screenshot but it's too blurry: https://youtu.be/uvXkwJ1B_s0?t=263

[bwehehehe]

Originally Posted by efpg0708

So now we know that the dots represent the song with backing tracks.

I usually expect that those backing tracks are, well for backing vocals given how obvious they are. As for why KTF doesn't have a dot despite "Faith!" coming from one is a complete mystery.

As for the THINFS fracas, I'm considering two possibilities:

1. Someone mistakenly used the entire song instead of only the chorus harmonies as a backing track. The fact that said track made it to the bridge faster than Jon and the guys did (the track cut from just before "coming home" to the bridge) meant that there was confusion between what the sound engineer was hearing and what Jon, David, Tico, and Phil were hearing. Shanks and Tico were playing live while Jon, Phil, and David were struggling to keep up.

And Jon didn't even realize that the track skipped as he continued singing, so whatever the band was hearing on their IEMs was different from what was being aired over the sound system. Similar incident to what hAnd90 uploaded in his channel earlier (Runaway NJ 2010) where the band didn't realize that the PA system blew over, which implied that the IEM and PA feeds were different.


2. It's a litmus test if they can get away with pulling off a Milli Vanilli. Enough said.
Note: It's pretty easy to notice if the sound is coming from playback or whether it's live when it comes to audience recordings, especially when it comes to Jon's vocals. The entire band was playing beneath the track (can't say the same for Jon), as evidenced by the track skipping ahead to the bridge.

[jovimark]

first i thought, jon realized the mistake and went to his mic but try to hum the song along as it should be ... they didn't even notice what was on the pa. they played the song correct. look how phil goes to the "this house was built on trust" bridge while you hear the part "no wrecking ball" or how the solo starts at at 3:50 while he's still doing chords. around 5:00 you can hear how the backing track stops and leaves us with the bands true sound.

the backing track went direct from the second chorus to the bridge without the "coming home" part. phil is more than able to play this solo live (and he does usually).

so, in defense of jon: i guess, he never planned to lip sync. they just played the wrong track since a backing track would never include phils solo.

[Bounce7800]

The more I watch it, the more confused I am. It's just frankly bizarre. They have no idea it's happening, or at least Dave seems to at one point possibly, but it's hard to tell from far away.

I mean there are excuses as to why, it could be any number of things, such as for the lighting people or screens/curtains to be synced up. Maybe it is to boost the sound, but with that band you shouldn't need to with backing tracks. You have 2 great guitarists, a demon drummer and Dave with his perm. A vocal track to cover Jon is to be expected, but a fully downtuned full track with solo? Doesn't make sense to be deliberately playback, there's so much to lose.

[Rdkopper]

Great research everyone with figuring out the dots... So on 5 songs just uses a filler to enhance the performance... it's common and not that big a deal... I feel better

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[Walleris]

Originally Posted by danfan

What pisses me off are the 40-50 year old women completely satisfied with the show because Jon shook his ass a few times and smiled "right at them". So sick of that excusing a lackluster, short set, full of mistakes, and now, at the very least, a backing track. If I wanted Lady Gaga, I'd go see Lady Gaga.

Please... Lady Gaga sings live and sounds great. It's a huge insult to compare her (or any other great singer) to today's Jon.

[Walleris]

Originally Posted by Captmorgs

Maybe the recording was supposed to play in their IEM's (to play along with) and accidentally got played over the PA?


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That was my gut feeling as well. It would have to be a member of the band that benefits from hearing all the studio layers of sound - so perhaps it came of David's IEM?

Again, if this was to mask Jon, it would be a) a live recording of a past; b) a vocal-track only to make it less obvious.