[bwehehehe]

Originally Posted by Walleris

That was my gut feeling as well. It would have to be a member of the band that benefits from hearing all the studio layers of sound - so perhaps it came of David's IEM?

Again, if this was to mask Jon, it would be a) a live recording of a past; b) a vocal-track only to make it less obvious.

Reminds me of the incident where the Borat national anthem was mistakenly played instead of the actual Kazakh one.

[Rdkopper]

Jon should make a statement about it...

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[steel_horse75]

Originally Posted by wichi850262

Maybe it was an audible that got triggered by mistake?

Happened once in 95 Wembley stadium. When support band Crown of thorns were playing all of a sudden living on a prayer came blasting through the pa!

Someone's obviously pushed a button they shouldn't have.

Thing is if you were to lip sync you'd do it to a live version and not the album version as it would sound way too perfect

[Panda]

I don't think I would have too much of a problem with this if Jon hadn't bragged about how he is 100% live.

Bands like the foo fighters and switchfoot or even Ed Sheeran brag about how everything you hear is 100% live. I used to think that was a ridiculous thing to brag about.

[danfan]

Originally Posted by Walleris

Please... Lady Gaga sings live and sounds great. It's a huge insult to compare her (or any other great singer) to today's Jon.

Oh please. You think she's 100% live with all that flipping around and crap she does? And you think her band is live?

[_KaMi_]

I have no time to read all the comments, so maybe someone already have said what i'm about to say, but I think this has nothing to do with lip-sync or anything like that.

The studio version is being played out loud, and that is the **** up. I don't know why, but that shouldn't being played. Maybe it's used like some kind of guide, I don't know, but the point is that the band didn't know it's being played out loud or even hearing this track, they are playing the song live as usual.

The sencond problem is that, after the second chorus, this studio track doesn't include the "coming hoooome" part, so there is where the track begins to go out of sync with the band and things start to seem weird.

But I repeat, the band didn't know the song was being played and they didn't hear it, or they would have done something to fix the mistake, but they keep playing without knowing there's a studio version playing out o sync on top of them. If you replace the audio from any other performance of THINFS from this tour, you can see all the band is playing the song perfectly.

[bonjovi90]

Originally Posted by bwehehehe

2. It's a litmus test if they can get away with pulling off a Milli Vanilli. Enough said.
Note: It's pretty easy to notice if the sound is coming from playback or whether it's live when it comes to audience recordings, especially when it comes to Jon's vocals. The entire band was playing beneath the track (can't say the same for Jon), as evidenced by the track skipping ahead to the bridge.

I had been thinking about that Milli Vanilli analogy earlier as well, especially since Jon made some remarks about them at the time (can even be seen on the AAA video).

It's not a backing track either since no band actually uses a full studio version unless they really want to do just playback. And about them accidently mixing up the PA feed with the ones on the IEMs - that can't be the case either. I've talked to the members of Bounce about the way their monitors are set up and they've told me that usually every musician has his own feed mixed specifically for the specific needs. They use backing tracks in some songs as well (like Unbreakable) but they're not on their feed since it would be too hard to distingiush it from what the other band members are playing. And Jon usually only has bass/keyboards and his own guitar prominent on his monitors with the drums (you hear them on the stage anyway) and the lead guitar being pretty low in his mix.

It probably really was just the case of some of the sound engineers really screwing up the tracks.

[JerseyGiant]

But the "Bad Medicine" from Philly was live right?.. Im pinning all my "there's still hope" on that performance haha

[bwehehehe]

Originally Posted by JerseyGiant

But the "Bad Medicine" from Philly was live right?.. Im pinning all my "there's still hope" on that performance haha

Jon sings Bad Medicine way too differently from the original for lip-syncing to be of any use.

[jovifan93]

Originally Posted by _KaMi_

I have no time to read all the comments, so maybe someone already have said what i'm about to say, but I think this has nothing to do with lip-sync or anything like that.

The studio version is being played out loud, and that is the **** up. I don't know why, but that shouldn't being played. Maybe it's used like some kind of guide, I don't know, but the point is that the band didn't know it's being played out loud or even hearing this track, they are playing the song live as usual.

The sencond problem is that, after the second chorus, this studio track doesn't include the "coming hoooome" part, so there is where the track begins to go out of sync with the band and things start to seem weird.

But I repeat, the band didn't know the song was being played and they didn't hear it, or they would have done something to fix the mistake, but they keep playing without knowing there's a studio version playing out o sync on top of them. If you replace the audio from any other performance of THINFS from this tour, you can see all the band is playing the song perfectly.

Well... I'd like to agree, but the problem is that they don't play out of sync to the track until after the second chorus. I know they use click tracks, so maybe the click track is in the original tempo of the song, because otherwise they would *have* to know that the studio version is playing and play along to that. So the IEM theory is more likely, but doesn't make a whole lot of sense either, because, like someone said, that would mess up your playing (different than playing with too much latency, but it would still be confusing).

It can't be a total accident, since they have down tuned the studio version, and unless they have some processing going on that does that on-the-fly (which is not very likely), someone would've had to prepare that track beforehand. But why cut the "Coming homes" out of it and using the alternate version? (BTW, since that's a radio edit, I'd have to go back and listen to it to see if that's been shortened in the first place).

So yeah, maybe (and most probably) someone confused that track with the backing track they normally use, but why have that studio track around at all? It doesn't make any sense, unless for a TV performance, where you wouldn't have that equipment and the tracks there. It was April 1st, after all, so the most likely theory would be a prank, but I wouldn't want to be in that person's shoes TBH...

I cannot and refuse to believe that they did this on purpose to see if they could get away with it. Not on that song and not near the end of the tour. No way...