[jovifan93]

Originally Posted by symbeline

You can hear him singing live. Everybody is singing and playing live under the track that got triggered for whatever reason before the bridge

Edit for clarification: They are singing what they are supposed to be singing and it can be hear if you pay attention, we hear a studio track (supposedly a modified/downtuned radio edit, I can't tell)

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The track didn't got triggered before the bridge, it's been there the whole time. Why is the good question, we'll probably never know...

But he's not lip syncing, otherwise he would've realized his "mistake" (like it seemed in the first video) and tried to fix it, instead he just keeps on singing and the band keeps on playing. Why they are not being heard only the guy at the mixing desk will know...

[DestinationJovi]

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Jon's not going to make a statement because it's not going to get that far. This isn't going to make enough of a ruckus in places that aren't here. Lipsnycing or not, the track was cued up perfectly but the wrong one was picked. It was there for a reason we don't know.

He better hope TMZ or the like doesn't get ahold of this.

There may be a valid reason, but it makes them look like phonies.

It's really a shame, because I think we all know playback of an entire song isn't the norm.

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by jovifan93

The track didn't got triggered before the bridge, it's been there the whole time. Why is the good question, we'll probably never know...

But he's not lip syncing, otherwise he would've realized his "mistake" (like it seemed in the first video) and tried to fix it, instead he just keeps on singing and the band keeps on playing. Why they are not being heard only the guy at the mixing desk will know...

Really? Now that you say it and I'm re-reading the thread I'm starting to see the whole picture.

I couldn't hear it until the mistake, so they were in sync with whatever had to be played. IF there's a whole backing track underneath not only some small parts.






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[DestinationJovi]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

I don't agree because Jon continues singing but nothing is coming out... He's hearing something totally different... And it really looks like he's pumping out lyrics...

Exactly - it looks like he's pumping out lyrics. But do you hear them? I don't.

He is hearing and singing something completely different than what is being piped out to the audience.

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

Maybe it was kind of an worst case plan to have that song cued up in case sound problems would appear? It's a wild guess but it may have been that during the intro they noticed that the sound system onstage wasn't working due to some kind of issue and someone panicky triggered the track trying to save the start of the show. I remember that in 2011 someone close to the sound desk had spilled his drink over it and half of the band's PA went out the window. It may have been something similar and they didn't want to start the show with no sound and were hoping to get it fixed in time, but realized too late that the track wasn't the same edit as the one the band plays live and failed to make a transition to the live sound just in time.

Just a thought though...

But then it wouldn't go too flawlessly, I guess. It seems as if nobody would have realized if they didn't trigger the wrong track/the whole backing thing went out of sync. Wouldn't it be almost impossible to improvise this kind of situation on the fly? (playing over a whole song just in case something happens).

Anyhoo.. I like your theory and besides what do I know about this, I can't​ ever hear it. I really want this to be a embarrassing mistake, the alternative is too hard to believe

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[symbeline]

Originally Posted by DestinationJovi

Exactly - it looks like he's pumping out lyrics. But do you hear them? I don't.

He is hearing and singing something completely different than what is being piped out to the audience.

I hear Jon singing the right lyrics throughout the song. Where do you hear something different, what minute? (Asking because every time I hear something I didn't hear before, not doubting you)

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[DestinationJovi]

Originally Posted by symbeline

I hear Jon singing the right lyrics throughout the song. Where do you hear something different, what minute? (Asking because every time I hear something I didn't hear before, not doubting you)

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My point is we don't hear Jon, we only hear the playback track.

At 0:56 his voice is heard but he's not singing into the mic.

From that point to the end he is singing something different than what we hear because he is out of sync with the track. He is still singing into the mic (though we don't hear him) after the guitar solo begins. He obviously doesn't hear the guitar solo starting.

Bon Jovi - This House Is Not For Sale - YouTube

[symbeline]

OMG I hear it now. It's the studio track, the one with the wonky lyrics. I realized because I heard Jon in the first chorus and went back to listen really carefully. I watched the other video, the one with the whole song

Could it be that the track is mistakenly triggered since the beginning? Around 1:36 you can see Jon pointing at Shanks but the guitar doesn't start until a few seconds later? Or maybe it's just random pointing and it wasn't supposed to be the cue for Shanks?

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by DestinationJovi

My point is we don't hear Jon, we only hear the playback track.

At 0:56 his voice is heard but he's not singing into the mic.

From that point to the end he is singing something different than what we hear because he is out of sync with the track. He is still singing into the mic (though we don't hear him) after the guitar solo begins. He obviously doesn't hear the guitar solo starting.

Bon Jovi - This House Is Not For Sale - YouTube

But if you watch the other video you can hear their singing under the studio track after the first mistake and until the end. What were they singing before the mistake is another question...

Bon Jovi-This House is not for Sale - YouTube

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by symbeline

OMG I hear it now. It's the studio track, the one with the wonky lyrics. I realized because I heard Jon in the first chorus and went back to listen really carefully. I watched the other video, the one with the whole song

Could it be that the track is mistakenly triggered since the beginning? Around 1:36 you can see Jon pointing at Shanks but the guitar doesn't start until a few seconds later? Or maybe it's just random pointing and it wasn't supposed to be the cue for Shanks?

I'm going to answer my own question. It's really difficult because you can't see Jon singing, but judging by body cues he's singing in sync with the audio we hear until the bridge. When the mistake happens, the audio we get just gets out of sync but it's the same, or at least I hear the same, so it's the studio track all the time it seems

They don't even realize or it's too late to fix it. I thought they managed to sync it at the end but now I see it's not the case. They did the extended part at the end right? Was it all out of sync too? (I guess they did get it right unless they have a live backing track for that too)

EDIT: It seems like they fixed it at the end after all, when the studio track stops you suddenly hear them again live