[danfan]

Originally Posted by _KaMi_

So you think Jon was trying to lipsync the whole song? when the track skept a part, why they kept playing the missing part and kept playing the song delayed? cause they didn't hear the track. I assume that if you're going to do playback, you are hearing the track you are pretending to play.

I didn't say that. I don't know what the F happened. But one thing is for certain - At one point, Jon's voice can be heard but he ain't singing. Technical glitch or not, he's using playback. For how much of the show, I really don't care. It's crap.

[_KaMi_]

Originally Posted by danfan

At one point, Jon's voice can be heard but he ain't singing

when is that?

[JackieBlue]

Originally Posted by _KaMi_

when is that?

At :56 on the shorter clip that Destination Jovi posted a few pages back, where he sings "This house is built on trust..." He has stepped away from the mic, interacting with the crowd.

And from the point where the vocal gets off track between the second chorus and the bridge, it looks to me like Jon is singing to one track while the band appears to be performing along with the predominant track, based on the background vocals. I can't tell enough about the guitars to see if they start the solo when the main track does or not, but just based on the way Phil and Shanks step up to their mics to sing it seems like they're in sync with the louder track. Jon is still holding on to the mic and his mouth is moving over the first couple bars of the guitar solo so Phil's solo is half over before Jon goes into his "everybody listen to the guitarist" dance.

It almost seems like the track that gets out of sync was cut and spliced because there isn't enough time to finish the chorus ("Coming home, I'm coming home") before Jon's vocal is well into the bridge.

I can't make sense of it either way you look at it. And I'm certainly no expert, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But unless I'm not seeing something, vocally or instrumentally, Jon's out of sync with the predominant track and with the band; and if they were all playing live it seems to me that they'd all be "off" together. Does that make sense?

[Jeeper]

They have used playback on tv shows before now. Jon has sung live while the band has mimed. That's fine as it's often not practical to set up a live band without rehearsal, checking levels etc. But this is a whole different issue.

We know there's several parts of the show that are playback, but that's usually backing vocals or single lines. To have a full song at the ready is desperately sad.

People trying to play it down need ask this - why is it there? For what purpose? Mistake or not, it's there for a reason whether it's appearance that night was meant or not.


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[Lisa71]

Originally Posted by Emma​

Probably very obvious... But what's pbp?

Play By Play

[_KaMi_]

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

At :56 on the shorter clip that Destination Jovi posted a few pages back, where he sings "This house is built on trust..." he's away from the mic, interacting with the crowd.

But that is the point. During all the song a track was being played out loud by mistake on top of what the band is really playing.
The second problem is that that trak skip the coming home part in the second chorus so it goes directly to the "this house was built on trust" part and there is when it gets messy because what the band is playing doesn't match anymore the track that is being played out loud by mistake.

Here is the same video from last night with the live audio from other show so you can see they are playing as usual:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3bhjxxbrmp...house.mp4?dl=0

The problem last night was that the track of the studio version was played BY MISTAAAAKE on top of the band and you can't hear them right

[Captain_jovi]

The track is played, by mistake, tuned down to the key they play the song live, at the exact point the live version and the studio version differ and you want to write it off as oops, shit happens? Yeah, no, a track was playing for reasons we don't know and intentionally, we're not debating that a mistake happened, we're analyzing that a backing track was used in the first place.

[JackieBlue]

Originally Posted by _KaMi_

But that is the point. During all the song a track was being played out loud by mistake on top of what the band is really playing.
The second problem is that that trak skip the coming home part in the second chorus so it goes directly to the "this house was built on trust" part and there is when it gets messy because what the band is playing doesn't match anymore the track that is being played out loud by mistake.

Here is the same video from last night with the live audio from other show so you can see they are playing as usual:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3bhjxxbrmp...house.mp4?dl=0

The problem last night was that the track of the studio version was played BY MISTAAAAKE on top of the band and you can't hear them right

Sorry, I was editing to add the issue that caused the most confusion for me. You can read that for the details, but basically, what I can't figure out is how the band seems to be in sync with the louder track, while Jon seems to be out of sync with both the louder track and the band. If they were all playing live and the louder track was the problem, wouldn't they all be "off" together?

[Jeeper]

Everyone relax. Matt Bongiovi just tweeted to say it's a tech error.

Phew.


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[_KaMi_]

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

Sorry, I was editing to add the issue that caused the most confusion for me. You can read that for the details, but basically, what I can't figure out is how the band seems to be in sync with the louder track, while Jon seems to be out of sync with both the louder track and the band. If they were all playing live and the louder track was the problem, wouldn't they all be "off" together?

Jon and the band are in sync the whole time, you can see it in the video I posted before. And at first they are also in sync with the track because it's played at the same speed