[Captain.Crash]

Originally Posted by KSantaFe

I have no reason not to believe Matt in all honesty. As was previously mentioned, it makes no sense for the entire track to be played - a vox track I could believe. And for the choruses Jon didn't sing the "I set each stone, and I hammered each nail" lines even though the audible track clearly has his voice at the forefront - it didn't seem as though he was trying to fool anyone. I'm critical of their use of backing tracks - particularly the line before the solo in Prayer - but I'm willing to let this one go as the band trying not to let a tech f**k-up ruin the show opener.

Im leaning this way too. Even if it was executed perfectly we all would have caught it. It would be too obvious as this band never sounds like the record. Over the years we have all caught the slightest of mistakes from recordings, dubs, and backing tracks. No way JBJ would expose himself like this with 5 shows left in the tour.

[cqleonardo]

I believe in Matt, don't see a reason to lie, somebody ****ed it up, it was clear since the video got out, we just didn't know who, now we do

[Savvi]

Considering Jon has sounded raw and live on every single show so far except this one, makes me believe that there was no intention to lip sync. Especially considering it wasn't just the vocals - it was the guitar as well. If they had used this track previously, we would have picked it up. I mean, even before the stuff up, the performance sounded exactly like the studio track. There's no way the band would do this, and there's no way none of us would have not picked it up in previous shows.

Believe it or not, and I can't believe I am saying this, but I am tending to believe Matt.

[DestinationJovi]

Originally Posted by cqleonardo

but they can run the sound without the band, happens all the time with a shitton of bands

He said "sound crew recorded sound check."

He did not say 'sound crew played an old radio edit of the album track.'

[rosa3]

I think Matt may have taken a quick peek here and saw all the chaos that was happening regarding this whole vocal, track thing. I'm glad he explained everything. Technical f-up like he said, lets move on.

[bwehehehe]

I'm tending to lean more on the theory that the track that should have been played was a combination of backing vocals and Jon's own, but the entire (alternate!) song was mistakenly played instead, since the band sans Jon was playing live.

As for Matt's explanation, how in the world would you use a version that is two bars off to sync lighting?

[JackieBlue]

Originally Posted by _KaMi_

Jon and the band are in sync the whole time, you can see it in the video I posted before. And at first they are also in sync with the track because it's played at the same speed

Thanks for doing that. After I watched your video, I went back to the long clip that was posted and, comparing them, I could see where the guys didn't step up to their mics for the backing vocals where it would have been in the out of sync tape, but where it fell in line with what Jon was doing.

I feel better about it now, even though something about it still feels a little fishy. I guess once you start questioning something it's hard to un-question it.

But thanks again for showing the difference.

[ThePunisher]

Originally Posted by bwehehehe

I'm tending to lean more on the theory that the track that should have been played was a combination of backing vocals and Jon's own, but the entire (alternate!) song was mistakenly played instead, since the band sans Jon was playing live.

As for Matt's explanation, how in the world would you use a version that is two bars off to sync lighting?

Algorithms are used in pre-prod to sync with the studio versions. My guess is Jon is like Springsteen and just flies in 2 hours before the show and they never had time to reprogram to a live track.

U2 does this all the time, but actually spends weeks doing it live.

[Panda]

woah woah wait a minute. How the heck does this explain why jon was "singing" or in this case "mouthing words" into to mic with no sound coming out?

[efpg0708]

Originally Posted by Panda

woah woah wait a minute. How the heck does this explain why jon was "singing" or in this case "mouthing words" into to mic with no sound coming out?

It doesn't. Matt is well known for pretending to know things which he clearly doesn't.