[hackster73]

Originally Posted by Kathleen

Holy crap - I was at this show and I had no idea this even happened. This was my first show of the tour and I was so pumped to see the opening and the first few songs that I never noticed a problem. We did record and I will pay particular attention when I start to edit.

Could you give us a review please

[kenobi_on_a_prayer]

I'm actually inclined to believe Matt as well, oddly enough. Besides, if they were going to use a backing track for the whole song, they'd just have the vocals for Jon's benefit, not the full band miming to a studio version.

[jovifan93]

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

For once in probably 8 years I actually tend to believe Matt. I don't doubt they're using some backing track underneath THINFS, but these kind of tracks wouldn't be the album cuts.
I've seen a similar error almost happen to a befriended band (on a much smaller scale and they got it fixed in time): They had set up their lightning rig to a pre-recorded live track and the "source option" of the PA was set up to start playing that track once the light show started. About a minute before the concert they realized that the option had still not been reset and changed it so the PA would pick up the instruments instead. Usually the lightning is set up before the sound crew or the band makes their soundcheck and hence it normally isn't an issue whatsoever. If it's done the other way around such a scew-up can happen though.

Probably all true, but what Matt said is still wrong on a number of levels:

1. If the sound crew "recorded" sound check they would've had recorded a version played live by the band at soundcheck.
2. If they used the alternate studio track (single edit ?!) to program lights, it would be off after the 2nd chorus, since the "Coming home" part is missing.
3. Why would they have to program lights for THINFS on the last couple of shows, unless someone deleted the programing or some other tech error made it neccessary?
4. (EDIT): Oh, and Matt did lie about the crew fixing it as soon as they noticed. That track played from start to finish, that can clearly be seen on the videos. It's only after the track has finished that we can hear what the band is playing.

What I do believe is:

1. The track was not played on purpose.
2. The band played and Jon sung live the entire time, it was just not audible on the PA, because the playback track was on (either single or way louder than the live sound).

The remaining questions really are just:

1. Why do they have a down-tuned version of the studio track at their disposal?
2. Why is it an alternate take that doesn't match what the band is playing live (missing the "Coming home" part)? Since it couldn't be to beef up the sound, because it would *have* to run out of sync after the 2nd chorus.

So, if you take Matt's tweet with a big grain of salt, I'd say that they have this track floating around (and down-tuned to match the frequencies of the live performance as best as possible) to check the acoustics of the venue or maybe even the first minute of lights and opening of the curtain. Or someone really played them an April's fool prank and probably regrets it now

And yeah, it's not as easy to un-question things as it is to question them, but in this case it leaves no bad taste with me, because it a) doesn't make any sense to attempt to do this and b) you can clearly see the band playing live the whole time, although you only hear them after the studio track finishes. (Thanks for the video edit with the live sound from a previous show BTW!)

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by jovifan93

4. (EDIT): Oh, and Matt did lie about the crew fixing it as soon as they noticed. That track played from start to finish, that can clearly be seen on the videos. It's only after the track has finished that we can hear what the band is playing.

I'd probably be even messier if they tried to fix it while the studio track was still playing. The band apparently didn't notice anything happening so it made the transition a little bit more seamlessly at the end.

1. Why do they have a down-tuned version of the studio track at their disposal?

Since it's not the live version or the official studio track from the CD, I'd say I believe Matt: the easiest explanation is the simplest in this case. But only because the backing track is the wrong one and they would know it's easy to spot the differences even if the track didn't skip/was out of sync, due to the different lyrics on the first verse (not easy to hear it live, but most people would pick up on it once the video was uploaded to YT).

If it was the actual track from the CD downtuned to match the live performace... that would be a little bit suspicious. But it's not, so case closed

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by Kathleen

Holy crap - I was at this show and I had no idea this even happened. This was my first show of the tour and I was so pumped to see the opening and the first few songs that I never noticed a problem. We did record and I will pay particular attention when I start to edit.

No wonder you didn't notice. It took me several views with headphones and rewinding to understand what was going on

Jon and the guys seemed to be in a good mood from what I recall from my sleepy try at a pbp, so almost definitely they didn't see it until much later.

How was the rest of the show?

[_KaMi_]

Originally Posted by Panda

How the heck does this explain why jon was "singing" or in this case "mouthing words" into to mic with no sound coming out?

That didn't happen.
Maybe it wasn't as loud as the studio track, but it was there

[jon-flp]

Wow...at least we have a gig thread like in the old times... 27 pages

So, the whole thing was fun to watch. No intend to lip sync, as Jon didn't sing the parts where his voice was on the track. Doesn't make sense lip sync if you don't..lyp sinc.

But this remind me that Livin on a prayer where after tbe solo the playback went completely wrong and just ****ed up the final of the song...i guess it was on japan, around 2006. I searched for it but couldn't found now.

[Rdkopper]

I believe Matt too... The band probably do limited sound checks and Jon himself probably does even more limited sound checks then everyone so the crew uses prerecorded tracks for timing and whatever...

They are using an alternate version because that's what's been given to them and they only use the first verse so it doesn't matter... it's a different song than the one Jon is performing and what imo is saving him... It's the entire band too... if Jon was pulling tricks, I'd think they'd be smarter than that and use a prerecorded live vocal...Not a studio track of the entire band...I have all the soundboard from every show and they are all different so Jon is still honest..

People here are going to make a big deal about it because that's what they do... It's absolutely worth an intelligent discussion... But then the morons and trolls come out and turn it into a shit show...

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[bonjovi90]

Originally Posted by jon-flp

But this remind me that Livin on a prayer where after tbe solo the playback went completely wrong and just ****ed up the final of the song...i guess it was on japan, around 2006. I searched for it but couldn't found now.

It was in Osaka in 2006:

https://youtu.be/Dx3-LTiFk7s?t=1h11m5s

[Gadden]

Originally Posted by jovifan93

Probably all true, but what Matt said is still wrong on a number of levels:

1. If the sound crew "recorded" sound check they would've had recorded a version played live by the band at soundcheck.
2. If they used the alternate studio track (single edit ?!) to program lights, it would be off after the 2nd chorus, since the "Coming home" part is missing.
3. Why would they have to program lights for THINFS on the last couple of shows, unless someone deleted the programing or some other tech error made it neccessary?
4. (EDIT): Oh, and Matt did lie about the crew fixing it as soon as they noticed. That track played from start to finish, that can clearly be seen on the videos. It's only after the track has finished that we can hear what the band is playing.

What I do believe is:

1. The track was not played on purpose.
2. The band played and Jon sung live the entire time, it was just not audible on the PA, because the playback track was on (either single or way louder than the live sound).

The remaining questions really are just:

1. Why do they have a down-tuned version of the studio track at their disposal?
2. Why is it an alternate take that doesn't match what the band is playing live (missing the "Coming home" part)? Since it couldn't be to beef up the sound, because it would *have* to run out of sync after the 2nd chorus.

So, if you take Matt's tweet with a big grain of salt, I'd say that they have this track floating around (and down-tuned to match the frequencies of the live performance as best as possible) to check the acoustics of the venue or maybe even the first minute of lights and opening of the curtain. Or someone really played them an April's fool prank and probably regrets it now

And yeah, it's not as easy to un-question things as it is to question them, but in this case it leaves no bad taste with me, because it a) doesn't make any sense to attempt to do this and b) you can clearly see the band playing live the whole time, although you only hear them after the studio track finishes. (Thanks for the video edit with the live sound from a previous show BTW!)

I agree - this is very odd.