2022 Tour Dates - April

Supersonic · #91 01-29-2022, 06:36 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by nikos greece

jon was a professional singer for many decades...its not like he learns each song vocally, he just applies his technique, which unfortunately is poor these days...

It's actually exactly what he does. He can't apply much of the professional techniques because the range isn't there anymore. So he learns how to get through the songs without going off key or straining too much and that's pretty much all he's got left to do. Once something different pops up in the set such as I Got The Girl it's an even bigger trainwreck than everything else in the song exactly because he's no idea what he can and what he can't do with his current voice.

Playing acoustic songs, playing songs in lower arrangements will pretty much only highlight his shortcomings because the former will only highlight his issues and the latter will drown his voice in the mix. Take the solo shows of him with Kings of Suburbia. He's can select any song he wants to and still has to rely on the rest of that band to get him through the songs he handpicks.

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jon is a smart guy, i still have faith in him and if there is no sign of improvement he will call it a day..

There has been no sign of improvement pretty much since Richie left and with every subsequent tour since the eighties his voice has gotten progressively worse. Jon will call it a day once the money stops coming in and his ego will take a serious beating when he's to resort to playing in front of empty seats in smaller venues.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

YOVANAfromPeru · #92 01-29-2022, 07:04 AM

About the poll; to be honest those options are very bad... I would choose Bon Jovi and Foo Fighters; about the rest of acts they all can have covid and die, I don't care... lol

nikos greece · #93 01-29-2022, 10:28 AM

i read all the different opinions, with most of them i partially agree..
in the end of the day it may be a half full half empty glass situation...

one last thing regarding the phycological factor...i am not talking about being happy or sad...i am talking about being cofident and self assure...when you are thinking each and evey note you cant do it naturally...jon has a technique, his voice has deteriorated for sure but there is a register he delivers...it just the hits were recorded too vocally demanding...
one last thing..in the south american tour of thinfs, it was 7-8 shows...jons voice was a trainwreck till Rock in Rio, in Rock in Rio show no 5 or 6 if i remember during bed of roses he hit a high note in the middle song and suddenly he started delivering way way better from this point on...
in the last show in brasil, he quite nailed some notes on these days and suddenly we saw jon from the past...
i am not talking about miracles here, i am just trying to explain that imo jon has lost his confidence and that affects his vocal abilities

blazeofglory · #94 01-29-2022, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nikos greece

jon has lost his confidence and that affects his vocal abilities

I absolutely agree, this is definitely a factor. If you’re not doing it confidently it’s quite hard to sing properly, especially if you’re already dealing with limitations like a physically shot voice. It’s also a self-fulfilling prophecy - if you (or others) expect yourself to fail at something, you’ll unconsciously change your behavior in a way that will make your (or others’) expectations come true.

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BJFan99 · #95 01-29-2022, 04:17 PM

I'm still thinking he might be secretly battling some health issues. He's certainly smoked long enough for it to be able to cause long-term damage, which I think is a massive contributor on why he's constantly sounding so out of breath and "raw" (obviously in a negative way) nowadays. I really hope he doesn't have the likes of COPD or emphysema...

I've also read some people imply Jon might be struggling with thyroid issues. Could that be realistic?

blazeofglory · #96 01-29-2022, 04:46 PM

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I'm still thinking he might be secretly battling some health issues. He's certainly smoked long enough for it to be able to cause long-term damage, which I think is a massive contributor on why he's constantly sounding so out of breath and "raw" (obviously in a negative way) nowadays. I really hope he doesn't have the likes of COPD or emphysema...

I've also read some people imply Jon might be struggling with thyroid issues. Could that be realistic?

No matter what kind of damage exactly the smoking has caused it's pretty likely that it's one of the factors that play into his vocal issues.

I feel like it's kinda pointless to speculate about potential underlying health issues he may or may not have, though. Most of us probably aren't medical doctors and you can't "diagnose" someone with an illness because it looks like they may be displaying some of the symptoms from afar. Many of those symptoms can be caused by loads of different diseases, ranging from harmless and treatable to dangerous and untreatable, and unless you perform a thorough medical assessment and you have the necessary knowledge about lung-related diseases, it's nearly impossible to make an accurate guess what he may or may not have, especially if you're just seeing a very small glimpse of his life and struggles through a screen or from across a concert hall.

If he had a serious condition I'm pretty sure he wouldn't continue touring though. Even if he himself didn't take it seriously enough and wanted to keep going despite being ill, I'm pretty sure his doctors and his family would get him to stop.

Supersonic · #97 01-29-2022, 05:10 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by nikos greece

jons voice was a trainwreck till Rock in Rio, in Rock in Rio show no 5 or 6 if i remember during bed of roses he hit a high note in the middle song and suddenly he started delivering way way better from this point on...

in the last show in brasil, he quite nailed some notes on these days and suddenly we saw jon from the past...

Jon's been a consistent trainwreck ever since his return on stage in 2015 and has gotten progressively worse. I have never seen a "Jon from the past". But for some reason people think that if Jon hits a high note in the chorus of These Days he's suddenly back to form or whatever. What's more likely though is that he's saved himself to make sure he'd make it to the final shows because he knew they'd be in front of an insane amount of people and would be broadcast live and wind up on youTube.

The reality is Jon's issue isn't the high notes, it's everything that's in between that he's got no control over anymore. He hasn't been able to sing any verse of any song properly ever since the start of the This House is not for Sale tour. Another reality is how the supposedly fantastic performance in Rio has happened 3 years ago. Ever since, Jon's shown he's been incapable of doing anything which resembles anything close to that supposed greatness. This has nothing to do with psychological damage. It's just him finally having hit the wall after the many, many years of abuse.

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If he had a serious condition I'm pretty sure he wouldn't continue touring though. Even if he himself didn't take it seriously enough and wanted to keep going despite being ill, I'm pretty sure his doctors and his family would get him to stop.

And I'm sure Jon refuses to listen to any advice given to him. He's got a consistent track record of still going ahead with shows despite doctors telling him not to do so. All because he's loyal to his ̶w̶a̶l̶l̶e̶t̶ crew. If he'd have been a professional he'd not have wound up touring in the state he's in nowadays.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

blazeofglory · #98 01-29-2022, 05:30 PM

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And I'm sure Jon refuses to listen to any advice given to him. He's got a consistent track record of still going ahead with shows despite doctors telling him not to do so. All because he's loyal to his ̶w̶a̶l̶l̶e̶t̶ crew. If he'd have been a professional he'd not have wound up touring in the state he's in nowadays.

There’s a difference between getting acutely sick on tour and doctors telling you to cancel a show or two and having a serious chronic disease that could kill you if not treated correctly though. I’m pretty sure if the latter was the case there’d be no way his family and especially his wife would let him go through with another tour. He’s got a track record of not listening to people’s advice, but based on what I know about his family life I think those are the people he would actually listen to.

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efpg0708 · #99 01-30-2022, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

Jon's been a consistent trainwreck ever since his return on stage in 2015 and has gotten progressively worse. I have never seen a "Jon from the past". But for some reason people think that if Jon hits a high note in the chorus of These Days he's suddenly back to form or whatever. What's more likely though is that he's saved himself to make sure he'd make it to the final shows because he knew they'd be in front of an insane amount of people and would be broadcast live and wind up on youTube.

The reality is Jon's issue isn't the high notes, it's everything that's in between that he's got no control over anymore. He hasn't been able to sing any verse of any song properly ever since the start of the This House is not for Sale tour. Another reality is how the supposedly fantastic performance in Rio has happened 3 years ago. Ever since, Jon's shown he's been incapable of doing anything which resembles anything close to that supposed greatness. This has nothing to do with psychological damage. It's just him finally having hit the wall after the many, many years of abuse.

And I'm sure Jon refuses to listen to any advice given to him. He's got a consistent track record of still going ahead with shows despite doctors telling him not to do so. All because he's loyal to his ̶w̶a̶l̶l̶e̶t̶ crew. If he'd have been a professional he'd not have wound up touring in the state he's in nowadays.

Salaam Aleikum,

Sebastiaan

This.

Once you have to dig through a whole song in order to find one note that he hit right, you pretty much know that he’s nowhere near the Jon from the past.

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jdanielross · #**100** 02-02-2022, 03:40 AM

Getting back to the tour here for a second ... these shows are not selling at the moment. The smaller the arena, the better it looks — but even those have lots of seats available (use the map in Ticketmaster to choose your seat and you'll see what I mean ... pick any date, really).

I know COVID is still a factor, but I have to believe people are getting wise to the fact that Bon Jovi circa 2022 isn't going to be a quality show. This makes at least 2-3 tours now where Jon can't sing.

It will be interesting to see what they do. Either drastically reducing/giving away tickets or canceling the tour altogether is my bet.

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