[Alphamale]

I know 99% of everyone on here are diehard Jovi Fans. And up until yesterday, I was a solid fan since the early 80's, but come on, the dude claims he was sick since Saturday. He could have easily rescheduled this show.

I'll stick to the basics - I spent $300 on tickets, $70 on merchandise and $25 for parking - everything calculated I dropped over $500 bucks last night. That's a lot of money to see someone upstaged by a bar band singer...singing his song. Add in not playing Wanted (my fav of course) and ending the show like he did - basically he stole a lot of people's money last night as well as demonstrating his lack of respect for his fans.

Make all the excuses for him you want, the guy was greedy and lacked class and creativity last night.

Anyway, it's done and over with. A lesson learned. Have a good evening all.

[bobbye49]

Originally Posted by Becky

If you have to travel to any show you attend, pay for a hotel room, and only get 2 personal days to take off a year at work, you appreciate the effort of doing a shorter show over no show. It's not like you can easily and inexpensively book another flight and get a sick note from the artist to keep your boss from docking your pay if you miss another two days for a rescheduled show. So saying that fans are stupid to appreciate the effort is what is bullshit.

The two women next to me at the show were from Australia; I'm sure they appreciated the effort.


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[Emma​]

Originally Posted by bobbye49

The two women next to me at the were from Australia; I'm sure they appreciated the effort.


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I'm sure they did!

It's a difficult call... Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I just wonder whether he can/could have made more use of the other guys to sing a few songs? Phil seems like a decent vocalist and David obviously sings...And I know they filled in a bit the other night.

[steel_horse75]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

I know 99% of everyone on here are diehard Jovi Fans. And up until yesterday, I was a solid fan since the early 80's, .

So you're no longer a fan cos he was sick?

[Captain_jovi]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

I know 99% of everyone on here are diehard Jovi Fans. And up until yesterday, I was a solid fan since the early 80's, but come on, the dude claims he was sick since Saturday. He could have easily rescheduled this show.

I'll stick to the basics - I spent $300 on tickets, $70 on merchandise and $25 for parking - everything calculated I dropped over $500 bucks last night. That's a lot of money to see someone upstaged by a bar band singer...singing his song. Add in not playing Wanted (my fav of course) and ending the show like he did - basically he stole a lot of people's money last night as well as demonstrating his lack of respect for his fans.

Make all the excuses for him you want, the guy was greedy and lacked class and creativity last night.

Anyway, it's done and over with. A lesson learned. Have a good evening all.

The entitlement of this reaction is laughable.

[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by steel_horse75

So you're no longer a fan cos he was sick?

Lots of things he could have done to make things right

[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

The entitlement of this reaction is laughable.

Obviously coming from a mod with no life lol . Always a tough guy behind a computer screen. I was simply stating my thoughts and experience. Good day

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by jovifan93

Why you didn't go to the show you were offered a free ticket for is beyond me (unless you couldn't go), but that's something you've missed, not me.

Well, I didn't have the patience for what they had become since HAND so I hit the pause button for some years, but I certainly didn't tell anyone how they should feel or tried to convince them not to support such abysmal albums. I practice what I preach but I don't lecture. We spent the money somewhere else and I didn't regret it one bit...
But my point was that I respect that they want to stay relevant and have something to say and even the people who don't care about them give them props for having had a long and very successful career after hitting their peak. But I also think that they should stand by their work if they want me to treat all that big integrity speeches seriously. Even if I don't like them, ignoring whole albums feels as if they are saying "nah that was shit, we didn't put too much effort, wanna forget about it... next" or at the least just needing an excuse to tour again (I only accept the "it was shit" excuse for Fahrenheit because they really didn't have control over their output at that point).

The problem with the set list is that there's a number of hits that *have* to be played, some semi-hits that are fan favorites (at least in Jon's book), and some songs Jon genuinely believes in (like LH, Born To Follow, Working Man, etc.). Combine that with 4-6 new songs, and you have your setlist. Could they rotate 2-3 songs? Sure. At least they do rotate 1 from time time. Not what we'd hope for, but better than nothing.

And while some songs have been the same since the LH tour, by including more than 1-2 new songs, it's hardly nostalgia, it's just that songs like Wanted, Prayer, IML, etc. have to be played. There's no way around it...

I've said the same a hundred times here and discussing the band with the couple friends who are still fans: if they had kept the songs that were working every tour and gave a few more chances to the ones that didn't go as well as predicted but they believed in them, now they'd have many many familiar songs to choose from and keep everyone happy. Even if an album/single tanked they still did promo, it was on the radio for a time and it has an official video. Chances are, people who like BJ have heard of those songs, even if they don't buy the albums or don't keep up to date.

It's really simple. You have 2-3 singles for album post-Crossroad, you add them to your non-hits singles list and rotate them but make that section a staple. And then add the album cuts that work live, and you rotate them too (they have plenty to choose from). So now you have almost 20 songs to choose in addition to the hits, the 4-5 new songs and Jon's faves (which to be fair are just a couple). That makes a basic setlist for the usually safe NA leg that casuals will like because it has both hits and familiar songs, and diehards won't probably complain too much because there'll be variety with so many y songs to choose from. And the new songs from that tour will become familiar and hopefully one of the album cuts will work and you can add it to the always growing setlist. Easy peasy!

I know Jon's voice dictates most of what he can sing now so it's a moot point, but in the recent past every tour meant ditching almost everything older than the current album, and then pretending the songs should be forgotten because they didn't work... of course they didn't if you don't give them a chance again! People will forget about them, same as they would forget WGIGO if they stopped playing it altogether. It's not a fun song the audience luuuurves because Jon shake his ass, it's a (horrible) song that it's been played to death, no wonder everybody knows it! And that works for any overplayed post-2000 non hit song.


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[symbeline]

Matt, oh Matt... He really loves being the center of attention doesn't he?

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[rosa3]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

Lots of things he could have done to make things right

Would a note from Jon's doctor make you feel better?