[danfan]

Originally Posted by marta anna

Hm... probably he is superhuman?

Neh - He's just still high as a kite.

[marta anna]

Originally Posted by Jonty

To respond to where these comments are coming from......they are based on watching the live feed two nights ago, many you-tube videos of the tour so far and over 75 Bonjovi concerts in the last couple of decades. Now I agree that as Jon gets older he may not prance around as much but that doesnt stop Steve tyler/Mick Jagger etc. Nor does it mean playing so many songs on guitar. We have Richie as lead guitarist in case anyone has noticed! He may have soloed on Sleep When Im Dead but actually he and Richie soloing at the end of Thorn in my side is a lot more fun + its a new song!!! They played 4 songs from the Circle. The album is 12 songs long and its The Circle Tour.......i dont want to hear it in its entirety but 6 or 7 songs from it would be nice......hence the get rid of Lost Highway songs and Who Says.
It was claimed somewhere on here that die hard fans complained when tehy played teh older songs like Roulette etc......id say that is bollocks. Hearing those songs again were amazing. Are they not playing them now cos they who do not know them head to the bar or the toilet....well if thats the case, thats where people go all the time no matter what the song!! Captain Crash, Whole lot of leaving, you name it, people go to the toilet during these as well so sod the majority, play some of those old songs (whats teh point of rehearsing and relearning them only to play them a few times!!). I am not going to add positives to the show until I have been to a circle show. However, yes his singing is a lot better this tour again, the set and lighting looks awesome with the screens but like i pointed out last year with U2, just cos you have a fancy stage (the claw) that doesnt mean you are going to play a great gig!!! There are a lot of positives re Bonjovi but a true fan can see were improvements can be made and besides........its only a personal opinion, like everything which is written on these forums!!

I respect your personal opinion. That's fine
I understand your point!!!

My strong reaction to your post was probably attributed to the fact that I am becoming angry with the general tendency that is taking place here. Many people simply bitch, have claims, criticize etc without giving any sound (I mean - sound!) arguments. Neither can they duly appreciate ANY positives nor enjoy the shows to which they go. Which is sad.

[RSROCKS]

Originally Posted by Jonty

Think I will stick this on the Facebook site as well but here are a few points I have regarding the shows so far judging by the set lists and the performance I saw last night on the live feed to the internet!

Firstly, it was fantastic to see the band playing live and i cannot wait to see you in the O2 on saturday 19th June! However, i want an electric performance with a few acoustic songs playing 6 or 7 songs from the Circle, after all, it is teh album you are touring!

Originally Posted by Jonty

Play Thorn in My side and most definitely Loves the Only Rule every show - fantastic live

I agree with you here. I must admit Thorn In My Side was nothing but average for me on record but live I like it a lot and I think it really comes off well. The double lead solo at the end is cool and is something unique that the band has not really done live and really adds something to the songs as well. Same with Love's The Only Rule. I think Jon in particular, pulls this song off better vocally than most of us expected on a nightly basis.

Originally Posted by Jonty

Lose the Captain Crash and Sleep when im dead, I have heard them so many times and although I loved the covers in Sleep last tour, these should not be replacing either a Circle song or even better, an old classic rarity!

I agree but also disagree with you on this one. Let me say first that by no means should Captain Crash still get rotated as heavily into the sets as it does; however, it goes back to Seb's setlist post a while ago about balancing the albums and making sure that all are represented and that setlists and songs truly get mixed up on a nightly basis. I wouldn't mind I'll Sleep When I'm Dead on occassion. Should it be a mainstay necessarily? Absolutely not.

Also, I like Raise Your Hands which has not made an appearance this tour yet. It's one of those songs that I have heard many of time and doesn't need to be in the set every night, but when it is I don't mind it. Unfortunately, for the majority of us, some feel that way about Captain Crash. Should the band completely ignore those who like the song? No but playing it every night or on the second night of a multiple night city is also uneeded but to say it should go altogether isn't necessarily true or right. Something like Summertime is a different story....

Originally Posted by Jonty

Find those old songs again - Roulette, shot through the heart etc.....there are others out there too!!

The band didn't seem to psyched to perform these songs in the first place and my guess is since they didn't get a big roaring reaction, I'd say the chances are minimal of these making the setlists at least in America. The O2 and possibly Giants are a completely different story (maybe even add Canada and Chicago to the known dates since these places are known to get more rarities as well).

Originally Posted by Jonty

Jon - quit playing the guitar so much, you are the front man who energy and movement is key to the show. Last night I watched you play guitar for the majority of teh 10 songs shown

Agree. Make Booby actually earn some of it and let him strum on the acoustic a bit. There's more to it than that though. Jon plays the acoustic guitar for almost the first half of the show because he WANTS to not because he has to for the song.

Originally Posted by Jonty

If you choose to live stream again, can we hear the audience too please, not just at the end of the song but all through it. There is no atmosphere in the stream.

I'll raise you one step further. If you are going through the motions and trouble to stream nearly half the concert why not the whole f-cking thing? The stream was done for hype and to sell tickets. Anybody who tunes out of curiosity or is a casual fan isn't going to necessarily be sold on the first half of the show especially because it doesn't really pick up until We Got It Goin' On. Therefore, showing them the first half of the show isn't the best Bon Jovi they can see.

Originally Posted by Jonty

Have a nice day has a number of songs you could play off it

True and like I said, all albums should be represented in one form or another as well as mixed up so yes, Have A Nice Day has a number of songs they could play from time to time but let's set the record straight. One or two at maximum. It isn't the HAND tour nor the LH tour for that matter.

Originally Posted by Jonty

Finally, get back to the 28/29 song set lists!!! This will be my Gfr's first show in June and I have harped on so much at how ace you guys are and how long the shows are, dont let me down please! If you need help with your set list, give me a shout!!! - oh, and give us a decent support band, not Razorlight or The Feeling!!!!

While a 28/29 song set is nice, it's not everything. You can mix the set slightly and still play about 25 songs and deliver a good performance and make casual fans and diehards happy at the same time.

Proof:

June 13, 2008, Amsterdam Arena, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Setlist:
1. Rockin' All Over The World
2. Lost Highway
3. Born To Be My Baby
4. You Give Love A Bad Name
5. Raise Your Hands
6. Runaway
7. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
~ Jumpin' Jack Flash
~ Gimme Some Lovin'
8. Whole Lot Of Leavin'
9. In These Arms (David Bryan on lead vocals for the first verse)
10. Diamond Ring
11. Always
12. Captain Crash & The Beauty Queen From Mars
13. Just Older
14. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
15. We Got It Going On
16. It's My Life
17. Keep The Faith
~ Sympathy For The Devil
18. I'll Be There for You (Richie Sambora on lead vocals)
19. Blaze Of Glory
20. Blood On Blood
21. Who Says You Can't Go Home
22. Have A Nice Day
23. Livin' On A Prayer

Encore I:
24. Stick To Your Guns (acoustic)
25. Wanted Dead Or Alive



Would you turn that setlist down because it only had 25 songs in it? Probably not. I know I wouldn't not only for the setlist but the way those songs were delivered on that particular night.

[Javier]

I still find it somewhat humorous that people think that not hitting the high note = not being able to sing. Jon was amazing on Always in Montreal and his vocal performances for he most part has been from great to amazing this tour, he still moves around on stage plenty on more than half the set, that's good enough for me. I'd rather him be more subdued with his movements and give great vocal performances than prance around like his pants are on fire and sing like he did on the second half of the Bounce tour.

And as for Steven Tyler,sure he hits high notes but has anyone actually listened to his md-lower range lately??

[luceknight]

bah, am I the only one who actually likes Crash?

[Jonty]

well marta anna, i must say that i personally cannot wait to the 19th june to see the boys again especially as they are not doing dublin (as of yet) this time round + its my gfr's first show......so i am praying they do not do an acoustic gig or i will be trying to find tickets for the 20th as well!!! they have not really ever disappointed me, in fact one of the poorest shows i have seen them play was their last one - night 2 at twickenam which was flat due to a dullish crowd and a half full stadium!

someone mentioned a great setlist there......would i have turned it down, probably a bit because if that was the lost highway tour, i would have wanted to hear more of the album again, not because the other songs arent great but if there is new material lets hear it!!

a lot of the high notes Jon has to really nail are the ballads where he doesnt have to prance around. besides, he usually stops to scream them during the more rockier songs. + in songs like Prayer he gets the crowd to sing them.

finally, for sharing the albums out throughout the set, i assume it has to do with the albums which were popular in the states as there has been very few These Days, Bonjovi, 7800, Bounce, Crush, Have a Nice Day, Box set bar the standards (Its My Life, Who Says, Something for the pain) though thankfully not much This Left feels right.

[marta anna]

So Jonty, have a good time I wish you had a dream setlist and a nice weather

[crashed]

Originally Posted by luceknight

bah, am I the only one who actually likes Crash?

I love the song but have heard it every single show for the last 10 years and the last few tours (well, actually, since the Crush tour) the performances of it have been lackluster and going through the motions.

[luceknight]

ah, ok...

and, uh...there wont be a PBP tonight? No thread about Tulsa?

[Ferret]

Originally Posted by luceknight

ah, ok...

and, uh...there wont be a PBP tonight? No thread about Tulsa?

Hold on, I'll make one.