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Ok, first I'm going to answer you and then say to you what I want.

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Ok : two underwhelming shows into the tour which at the moment seems no different to The Circle tour with the exception of What About Now songs in the set instead of Circle songs.
Yeeeah, no. No different? The setlist had been totally changed up! There're The Circle songs as there were on the lastest concerts of the tour, the basic structure of BOB/YGLABN/BTBMB/WWBTF of the beginning that was a great rock opening has been taken out and lots of songs are out because they are playing new songs like they never did before, and we weren't born to follow had been putted near the end of the main setlist. They never play more than 3 new songs on a gig, yeah yeah, there're some exceptions sometimes but it's the normal rule. Maybe they played 4 on The Circle Tour in some concerts (when they played WWWB).
The setlist is a whole different story that in The Circle Tour IMO. They only letted some hits that can't be taken out and a few shitty songs like Captain and "It's All Right!".

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Set lists are unimaginative at this early juncture (is that to do with 'American' crowds?), song placings within the setlists are odd and song choices are odd. The energy & enthusiasm for the live arena also seems to have gone.
I agree with this, this is not the setlist of a great arena rock band. The places where they put the songs make no sense and Jon doesn't even moved from his mic. Hell! He moved more when he played I'll Be There For You with the acoustic guitar on the Live 2011 tour, he was going from a place to other smiling, now that's gone. Might be something of the first concerts? Maybe. Or maybe that attitude and setlist is here to stay, at least for the American tour.

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I think they have to sit down and honestly work out who they want to play for. Are they playing for the fans, the casuals or themselves?
I think they already asked that themselves.

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They don't seem that enthused so I don't think they are playing for themselves anymore. They don't seem to have the courage to say that they just don't want to play certain songs anymore. Surely Jon in his heart of hearts never wants to sing 'bad medicine' ever again!!??
Maybe they are just playing for the money. Maybe because they just want to play lots of new songs like they did on the last gigs. About the Bad Medicine thing, is a song that has been played without stop since the Jersey Syndicate Tour. Really I've heard it live, everyone here did and they have, we got 39024823489234 live versions of it and they have other songs to fill the gap of it, I couldn't care less if they took it away for this tour.

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They aren't playing for the fans because we could list a ton of songs that we know would go down a storm with the repeat attendees / die hard fans & they aren't being played.
Got nothing to say against it, the setlist they played is crap. Just crap. But maybe things will change when they go to Latin America, Europe or Asia, maybe they think "the americans wont move doesn't matter what we play, lets give them a bunch of new songs, it's the same thing anyway".

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And so we come back to the conclusion that Jon first aired in the WWWB documentary that they are playing to the casuals. But I'm not even sure they are - do the casuals want to hear 4 songs from Lost Highway????
He said that he was playing to the casuals on that specific concert because it was a free one or a festival, I don't remember which of these two, and there was a lot of people that weren't fans so he got to make up a setlist for those people. And it was a smart move.

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Live : the band are in a mess.
Yep.

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I wish Jon had the courage of his convictions to do a Springsteen and open up the whole of his back catalogue for inclusion live. Springsteen very much takes the stance of 'well, if you don't know the song, that's your look out'. Often with an unfamiliar song the strength of a band performance can carry it off anyway.
Wait wait wait, "I wish Jon had the courage to open up the whole of his back catalogue"? I don't know shit about Springsteen as I couldn't care less about him or his music but did you follow The Circle Tour? The Live 2011 one? They changed the setlist from day to day, surprises every single night. I don't think any band (i don't know about Springsteen, though) do the rotation of songs and hits that Bon Jovi do, I remember reading on a magazine how they played 60 songs on only 3 gigs. Who do that? No one. And you can't forget about that because one, ONE, official concert.

They need to tour with all bets off aside from the inclusion of 6-7 new songs and the core unit of :

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Bad Name
Prayer
Wanted
Keep the Faith
It's My Life
Have a Nice Day

That's a recognisable hit one in every 4 songs.
That core unit is on the concerts always, it never leaved and I don't think that it will anytime soon.

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Stick :

Always
I'll be there For You (or Bed of Roses)
In These Arms
Bad Medicine
Yes! Or some other hits, they have more ballads than Always and I'll Be There. And more hits than Medicine or In This Arms (song that I love).

Also, as it been sayed before, you can't let out We Got It Going On. The crowd reacts well to it, it just does, that song is not leaving so get used to it. Like it or not, that song will become a must for the post-2007 Bon Jovi. They could swap it with Medicine as it have the same effect on the crowd, some days WGIGO and some days BM.

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In and that's 10 songs out of 25. Add 6-7 new ones and thats 17 songs leaving 8 for the die hards. 8 : Not Lost Highway songs but interesting stuff that would excite long time followers of the band heres my 8 :

Only Lonely
Wild is the Wind
Dry County
Something to Believe in
Hey God
One Wild Night or Bounce
I Am
Loves the Only Rule
I think that 7 diehard songs is a lot, though I'd love to see that!

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Surely that's not too much to ask? And its enough for the casuals - a lazy greatest hit song ever 2-3 songs but also leaves enough space for the more die hard fan.

If I am going to a gig of a band that I only own a greatest hits package for I wouldn't expect to know every song that comes along, why does Jon pander to that fan?
Jon isn't pandering to that fan as they're not playing that much of hits! Captain Crush is not a hit, neither is Lost Highway (as a song) and let's not begin about Whole Lot of Leavin' and more songs on the setlist. That's the weird thing, is not a setlist for the casual as the casual have no ****ing idea about those songs and it surely is not one for the diehard fans because of the same songs. The casual listener will want a rock concert (post 2000 pre 2000, doesn't matter, ROCK with flow between songs) with a few ballads, no this.

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I just don't think the band are happy anymore. When I saw Richie in London last October he played with more fire & enthusiasm than I've seen in years because it was new, different etc.
Its their own fault, they should be more selfish and play stuff THEY want to play, let the performances carry them through.
Might be. Maybe they don't care anymore.

What I think:

About this whole situation, first of all I think that one official gig is not enough to criticize the band but is a wake up call. I think they want to show up that they're not a nostalgia band anymore, they want to play the new stuff and they want to play songs from post-2000 records. Is that a bad thing? No, of course not. This isn't a greatest hits record, and they had a lot of hits in their career. If they took their top 40 songs on the UK or the US they fill a full concert, so it's pretty obvious that some songs will be let out on the gigs.

The thing is, you want to play new songs? Do it! They can do a better setlist with the same ammount of post-2000 songs and new songs, I did one here so you can see what I mean with it. A rock beginning, if Jon wants that acoustic moment instead of ballads ok, that might be interesting! And you can have a great setlist. The thing is, as I said before, the songs they choosed and the order.

Also, I don't get why people are biching so much about the playing of new songs without the record out. Bon Jovi have always did that! Look on this concert the record wasn't going to be out for more than a month! Maybe you didn't noticed it as they never played this much of new songs, but don't act like no band haven't played new songs before the record had been released ever because, love it or hate it, it's really really common.

tl;dr: choose better songs, the setlist flow sucks, do a post-2000 tour if you want, but do it right, you got the songs and the hits to do it. Jon, move a little more, it won't kill you. And give a rest to the Lost Highway songs for god's sake.
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