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JOVIDAZE · #11 09-05-2002, 09:18 PM

Very well said JOVIAN.

I asume that that is the reason the boards been shut down temporarily @ BSWJBJ

Somebody certainly ticked management off.

KTF
ANDRA

Late · #12 09-05-2002, 09:24 PM

Jovian,
I´m not here to arque but can you blame the aussies?
NO OFFENSE to the countries you listed but can you really compare Australia and
for example Belarus.
These countries are in totally different situation concerning the fan-base. You should compare Australia
to UK, Germany or maybe Holland.
What would you think the British people would say if UK got dumbed out of the worldtour?
And I´m NOT SAYING that Australia is left out of it
but it surely seems like that since BJ.Com and Backstage are only confirming information nowadays.
I think Australia deserves a FULL TOUR because they´ve got as solid fan-base as we have in Finland or
there is in US. What would the US fans do if it appeared that there´s going to be only shows like Zootopia?
Probably not very happy feelings there...

But I agree that bombing Backstage is not going to help at all. You should just take it easy until the dates are
confirmed(although I doubt there will be any changes with the info we have).

When Backstage says that this is all you get then you have right to be upset in my opinion.
I personally wouldn´t be very happy if Finland got AGAIN left out of the tour . I´d probably complain quite much
but then calm down. That´s what I think you aussies should maybe do.

Please try to KEEP THE FAITH in Bon Jovi.

Mike · #13 09-05-2002, 09:41 PM

I personally think the Aussies who r complaining r jumping the gun. - You'll all look silly if they do announce a couple of 'proper' tour dates! As well as 3 other live performances. If not - then complain then

Mike

*SavageJovi* · #14 09-05-2002, 10:52 PM

[qoute] I know Aussie fans got their "insiders", people who are in contact with the record company & probably also the promotors because of their jobs...but if those people really were as professional as they want to be, they wouldn't a) ask about anything that isn't directly related to their work (and about 99% of all those Jovi things probably aren't), and b) share their "inside scoops" with the rest of the fans before the information is officially confirmed and announced on the official websites.[/quote]

Uhhh Anu, you and i both know exactly who your talking about and i'd tell you there is NO WAY that person gave out BJM's information, she as actually telling people NOT to contact BJM.
The people who have BJM's contact information got it in a way that was NO one's fault and it was from a PROFFOSINAL source that TOLD them to contact BJM and gave them the info. NO FAN is at fault here, if anyone it's the company who gave out their contact details and even they did it to try and help the Aussies who where dissapoined.
As far as you and you whole "Fans giving out there inside scoop before it's officially confimed" umm what was that about the release date of Bounce? I'm pretty sure that the girl with official souces told us that Bounce will be released in September in Australia.....could you tell me when Bounce is being released in Australia? I think i may have forgotten.
THAT is the only "scoop" she has given fans, SHOW ME where else she has told fans stuff that turned out to be not true? You can't cos she only told us one thing and that was the release date of Bounce which turned out to be true.
Think your anger is better directed elsewhere, not at people who are in a fortunante situation.

Liz · #15 09-05-2002, 11:35 PM

Well said Jovifan!

Jovian · #16 09-06-2002, 12:52 AM

[color=orange]Bugger, I was just writing a reply to this...and then there was a power cut, part of the friggin' city went dark. So now I have to write it all over again.

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Originally Posted by *SavageJovi*

Uhhh Anu, you and i both know exactly who your talking about

Actually, I wasn't talking about just one particular individual... I was talking in general terms, as it seems that there are several fans in Australia who are in contact with the record company and possibly also the promotors either through their jobs or through personal friendships etc.

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Originally Posted by *SavageJovi*

and i'd tell you there is NO WAY that person gave out BJM's information, she as actually telling people NOT to contact BJM.
The people who have BJM's contact information got it in a way that was NO one's fault and it was from a PROFFOSINAL source that TOLD them to contact BJM and gave them the info. NO FAN is at fault here, if anyone it's the company who gave out their contact details and even they did it to try and help the Aussies who where dissapoined.

So someone actually found out the contact info for BJM???!?! And spread it around???!!?

Uhhh there is absolutely NO business for ANY FANS to be contacting BJM! Not only is that stupid, immoral, immature, very much unwanted and downright rude, but it might also cause potential security hazards...and it would certainly be a nuisance to BJM as they might be forced to change their contact information so as to be able to operate in peace and be left alone.

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Originally Posted by *SavageJovi*

As far as you and you whole "Fans giving out there inside scoop before it's officially confimed" umm what was that about the release date of Bounce? I'm pretty sure that the girl with official souces told us that Bounce will be released in September in Australia..... THAT is the only "scoop" she has given fans, SHOW ME where else she has told fans stuff that turned out to be not true?

How about this supposedly "official" and "confirmed" promo appearance in Australia? Please remind me, when did that happen again?

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Originally Posted by *SavageJovi*

Think your anger is better directed elsewhere, not at people who are in a fortunante situation.

To tell you the truth, I'm not actually angry at anyone... Least of all at someone or someones who might be in a fortunate position in their work. Some ppl just get lucky, that's all there is to it.

What is annoying me, though, is the way some Australian fans have behaved after hearing about the Rumba concerts. The whole thing has been taken WAY too personally, and that has resulted in, well, more or less infantile behaviour. Like I said, you don't really see fans from other countries or even entire continents posting angry messages on the official boards... You don't see those other fans threatening to quit the fan club, you don't see them planning mail bomb attacks at their local concert promotors or record company branches in order to get the band to perform full concerts or a full concert tour in their country. Granted, Australia is a huge market for Bon Jovi and would rightly deserve at least one FULL concert...but if the band has other plans, they have other plans and that's that.

Also, another thing that kinda ticks me off about this whole thing is the way the Aussies have jumped into conclusions without seeing or hearing any TRUELY official confirmation to the band's plans. Yes, I know, you got the information from the record company and the promotor... But how can you be sure the band isn't still planning something else as well? Something that is kept well under wraps at this point? To me, the fact that they haven't announced the Rumba gigs at Backstage or bonjovi.com speaks for itself -- Rumba has already announced and confirmed the gigs, so what's keeping the band's end from not announcing the same info on their official sites? Could it possibly be that ALL the information just isn't ready for release yet?

If it really turns out that the Rumba gigs are the ONLY appearances the band will be making in Australia, THEN I can very well understand how disappointed and even angry the Aussies are. And then I will sympathise with you guys, with all my heart.

jovi29579 · #17 09-06-2002, 01:30 AM

From what Ive read, the Australian promoter who deals with Bon Jovi WAS contacted and he said they are doing the 3 festival jokes and thats it. Do you call that jumping the gun? They have sold 2 million albums or something here. so dont tell me not to be pissed off, I will be for a long time, and you lose a huge amount of potential sales not coming here again.

*SavageJovi* · #18 09-07-2002, 01:59 AM

"So someone actually found out the contact info for BJM???!?! And spread it around???!!? Uhhh there is absolutely NO business for ANY FANS to be contacting BJM! Not only is that stupid, immoral, immature, very much unwanted and downright rude, but it might also cause potential security hazards...and it would certainly be a nuisance to BJM as they might be forced to change their contact information so as to be able to operate in peace and be left alone. "

Uhhhhh, Anu, let me answer this in a way you may understand. An upset fan contacted a company (who's details are readily avaliable) who deals with BJ when they come out to OZ, their reply was along the lines of this:
"Sorry we can't help you, your probably best to contact the band's management, here are their details"
Now if you don't understand that there's not much more i can say, but NO BJM's details where NOT sought after, they where given by a company releated to BJ, and the fan was TOLD to contact BJM about the Rumba festival.
Don't make it out like people are stalking out BJM's details and passing it around, cos that's just NOT the way it happened. (I wish people actualy knew what was happening before they started the name calling)
The fan with good intentions, thinking this could help the situation posted the reply to a list and someone replied saying it wasn't a good idea to post BJM's information, the fan apologised, said they where right and they details shouldn't have been posted, and that the reply was more posted to give other upset fans an idea of what to do rather than hand out BJM's information.
It's funny how people who have nothing to do with the situation are being very quick to comment on something they obviously know NOTHING about.
And two other things:
1-You say Aussies are acting like kids ect (your attack on the upset Australian fans was so long i can't even pick a quote out of it!!) that's what YOU think, others may think they have every right to be upset. Either way it doesn't bother me as i'm quite happy about the Rumba festival.
2-Ohh you bring up that "Ghost" promo tour. One question, how can a promo tour that was never going to happen get officially cancelled by Universal Australia?? Bit strange, once again Anu, you where wrong about the release date for Bounce, i'll leave it at that.[/b]

hoarse · #19 09-07-2002, 04:37 AM

Hi all,
Just let me start off by saying the BJM contact details did not come from me or anyone else who works in the media or is in contact with the record company/promoter. It was from a fan who contacted the promoter all on their own. It was poor error in judgement for this staff member to give out BJM details but I figure they have NEVER encountered the wrath of a 'scourned Jovi fan base' - not something to be taken lightly! I did e-mail the mailing list and say it was NOT a good idea to contact BJM and I knew it would do more harm than good. I even contacted the promoters office and told them to watch out - something was going down! I do NOT condone that either - BJM are not there to field questions from fans - that is the fanclub's job, if anyone's. As soon as I read that e-mail with all the details - I cringed I knew it was not a good idea. And I have NEVER had their contact details before - no need for them!
As for Rumba - most of you will know I was by no means excited to hear that. I am excited that the band are coming - of course! But going to a pop festival to see my favourite ROCK band - is hard to deal with. But it is going to give huge exposure to the band and probably wake a lot of people up! They will put all the other acts to shame!!! So I'm happy they are coming and did post that on Backstage before it was shut down for maintenance. And yes I will attend all three Rumba shows! I haven't missed an Australian BJ show in 15 years - not about to start now.
I do understand the Aussie fans disappointment/anger etc especially those in Adelaide & Perth - but we must remember AT least we are getting the band back in Australia. I know that is little consolation for some - Adelaide & Perth again but that's all I'm clinging too.
Ok, this has gone on way too long but Anu - please think before you speak/write and ALWAY have ALL the facts. I alerted fans to the promo tour - only after I'd had the go-ahead from the record company and just for information sake - I even have a poster that says the dates for the Australian promo tour - obviously it was a VERY last minute thing to pull the promo tour.
Ok, that's all from me.
Cheers, Kris/Hoarse

JBJgirl4eva · #20 09-08-2002, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jovi29579

Thats total bullshit them complaining about people who have posted that we Aussies are being treated like dirt. What have we done to deserve no tour again? ... We are getting a bad deal and we have every right to contact promoters to ask if this is all we are getting, and why.

Seeing messages like this don't make me wonder one bit why Backstage posted the note from the Bon Jovi Management on their News.

First of all, Aussies are not being treated like dirt -- Australia is by all means NOT the only country or even not the only continent in the world that haven't got a full-fledged Jovi tour in years. Still, do you see African or South American fans filling up the Boards with complaints and angry messages? Or Norwegian, Danish, Polish, Greek, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian, Estonian or bloody Belarussian fans, even though some of those countries haven't got a show since 1993 or 1995 and others have NEVER got a proper Jovi show? No, you don't. Sure, fans in those places might be ticked off for not getting Jovi shows in their countries -- and rightly so, I might add -- but they still know how to behave and aren't clogging the Boards with complaints and infantile threats to "quit the fan club" or "bomb the promotor with e-mails".

Another thing is, that you claim you have "every right to contact the promotors". But if you really want to be a true and good fan and respect the band and their wishes, you DO NOT harrass the promotors or the record company on your own. I know Aussie fans got their "insiders", people who are in contact with the record company & probably also the promotors because of their jobs...but if those people really were as professional as they want to be, they wouldn't a) ask about anything that isn't directly related to their work (and about 99% of all those Jovi things probably aren't), and b) share their "inside scoops" with the rest of the fans before the information is officially confirmed and announced on the official websites.

When the Aussie fans were flocking the BSWJBJ Board with their complaints and disappointment, some of us non-Aussie fans tried to comfort you and make you feel better by suggesting carefully that maybe you should wait until THE BAND'S END, the official websites, have confirmed and announced the Australian tour information before jumping into conclusions and expressing your bitter disappointment by flooding the Boards with messages. As far as I could see, most of us tried to show support and word our posts carefully... Yet some of the replies to our posts were way beyond obnoxious and arrogant. We were basically told to shut it, cause "we know better, we have all the confirmed information from the promotor and the record company, and all BSWJBJ and bj.com can do now is to confirm this so-called "news" we've known for a long time already." I, for one, was absolutely appalled to see such attitude, such arrogance and such blatant disregard for the band and the management and their wishes.

Like Jesyjames wrote, there are way too many fans out there who live under the ILLUSION that the band somehow owes them something, whether that be a personal meet'n'greet or a proper concert tour in their territory. The truth is, the band doesn't owe us ANYTHING. It's our CHOICE to be in the fan club, it's our CHOICE to go to concerts, it's our CHOICE to buy the records. When we go to concerts, we're entitled to be there and enjoy the songs. When we buy the records, we're entitled to a flawless CD with the band's music in it (and please DON'T start with me on the copy protection issues, mmmkay?). And when we pay the fc membership fee, we're entitled to the newsletters and the fc seating/wristband arrangements WHERE APPLICABLE. That's all we're entitled to, nothing more, nothing less. It's very sad indeed how some fans can't seem to get that.

Very well said, Anu!!!

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