August 18, 2017: Bon Jovi Endicott, NY

Well, it's hard to have fun when you can't deliver and have to be always focused on not ****ing up too much. On that clip, sure he had fun, but he didn't have to sing it.

People sometimes say things like he should rest and get his voice back, he should train to get his voice back, he should do this, he should do that but at the end of all that constructive criticism, you know who is his biggest critic? Himself. And that wears on you. Of course he tried everything he thinks could help, and we can see that it does not work. He definitely does not have the formula to bring back 08'-10'.

I always remember early 2000's when, IMO, he knew his vocals chords were no longer what they used to be and then released that bizarre record TLFR and, against his own word, tried to include the super hits that he could no longer do justice to in TLFR style. That was a failure and probably made him realise that he could not get away with rearranging the hits.

How can someone have fun knowing that you can't deliver what you want to deliver? What you think people want to get? It's hard man. I appreciate the effort but it does not cut it.

Lol... you also know it's time when him and I are on the same page...

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Although I do agree 100%, I still think he does have some talents left to make the shows more enjoyable with a little change and rearrangements.

Bring in a better background vocalist... Do some more acoustic blocks... Reach deeper in the catalog and pull out some more rarities in his range... Even add in some more live recorded playbacks...

There are some bands like Pearl Jam who play random rarities all the time and get away with it...

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That's why I said I think he needs to stop, take care of himself for as long as it takes, then find out what his 'new' vocal limits are; and then decide where he wants the band to go or if he wants the band to continue at all - within those parameters.

In that order.

I agree that Jon would be his own worst critic. I didn't mean to imply that I think he hasn't tried almost everything that he (and a gazillion advisors, I'm sure) can come up with.

But there's one thing that I think he hasn't tried because the man refuses to stop pushing himself. He won't get off the ****ing treadmill long enough to truly take care of himself. I'm not talking about slowing down, or doing whatever he can squeeze in between engagements, just to put a band-aid on it and get him through the next show, or the next album, or the next tour.

Jon didn't even take off 2014, when he allegedly couldn't sing in the shower. That would have been the perfect time to rest, recuperate, and rethink. But we know that he didn't take full advantage of it because he was still doing shows and making public appearances. He was still writing; and probably recording some of it, in some form. That seems to go hand-in-hand with the writing process, based on what he's said in the past.

So yeah, it's reasonable to assume that he's tried this or that and done everything he can think to do. But I haven't seen anything that suggests that he's tried to give not doing anything a chance. I'm not sure he knows how, tbh.

My theory is that Jon pushed himself too far in basically every possible way during the BWC tour, and wasn't relaxed enough to think about the possible consequences afterwards as he had probably already organized some of the KOS stuff for 2014 around mid-'13 and, being the workaholic we all know he is, couldn't even think about canceling the performances. He simply didn't give himself enough rest vocally, physically or psychologically in 2013-14, and combined with recording Burning Bridges + THINFS and doing the Asian tour in '15, the poor guy got overly exhausted and still hasn't fully found his way back.

I mean, the dude's toast. I think he should take a break and give himself time to wash away all the stress and pressure he's been struggling with throughout the last couple of years. Then, he should really decide what he actually WANTS to do, instead of what he "has" to do.

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Oh, that's some serious words of reason here!

Let's face the truth: Our beloved band Bon Jovi is living their final minutes.

It's killing me to say that in the past, I used to follow all the pbp here and be very anxious to see the perfomances on youtube.

Now, I have fear to see the perfomances on youtube, and I'm always praying for somehow have that Jon from 2011 back. And we know that's it's not possible.

If we, the fans, are not enjoying it anymore as we used to, imagine Jon and the band (I mean tico and david mainly). It's not possible enjoying a thing that you used to do masterfully and now you just can't do it good enough. C'mon guys...Imagine David. He's a terrific musician. The guy wrote an award winning broadway musical...He works with amazing singers...you really think that he doesn't know that Jon just can't sing anymore?

And we know that Jon knows it. He wrote this, including. And it's not only the voice...I really expected that the band of my life could stay in the scene forever. But this band no longer exist anymore, it's just the name.

The band is not just without Richie. Jon, the recognized amazing frontman from Bon Jovi, is not there anymore.

And that's so sad...

As hard as it is to admit, but I gotta agree with this. The Bon Jovi that made all of us fans and were the reason that all of us are still here praying for a miracle - is gone. And I think by now Jon knows it as well. Otherwise there would've been more legs of the THINFS tour announced by now. I'm certain that with the right passion Jon can still pull off some music in the studio that is enjoyable. But the beast of a live band whose performances once could take you away from everything just isn't there anymore.
They've lived the dream and the dream has run its course.

Yup.

I had a similar moment like this when he butchered Always in LA Forum earlier this year.

Losing his voice completely destroyed his identity. It's like he can't have fun and use other tricks when he knows he sounds like shit, as supposed to relying on those tricks to drift the focus away from his voice.

Sad but true. Jon's done - he's lost it. No reason to sugarcoat a simple fact anywhere - not even on Backstage...