Based On The Setlists Would You Sell Your Tix

I'm just curious about this. I wouldn't. Would you? What other reason would you give besides the expense of tickets. I also ask this because there is a majority of us who are becoming more pissed as time goes by. Do you think things will get better or worse.

Deb

Of course I wouldn't sell my tickets based on the setlists. Look, I'm not bouncing off the rafters in excitement looking at the setlists that come out show after show but they're not that bad by any means. There's a bunch of songs in there that in all the shows I've been to I've never heard and there's a different song selection and structure to previous tour. And this is very important, I haven't been to a show on this tour yet.

This is what really amuses me when I read people bitching and moaning at the setlists. You would swear from reading what some people are writing that these people are actually at the show and are actually experiencing the same concert night after night. You're reading song titles on a fcuking computer screen. You're not at the show. Just about everyone who's bitching here is taking this so personally as if they're having to be subjected to the same "laziness" every show and being personally wronged by Jon because he's not giving these people, not what they want, but what they feel they deserve.

As I said, I would certainly prefer that the setlists had more variety, and some songs in particular (YGLABN & BTBMB) would not be played, because yeah, it would be nice to got the concert and not know what was to come next but even if i know with certainty what song is coming up next it wont change the fact that the first Circle show I go to will be the first show I got to.

Seriously if you wanted to sell your ticket because the videos of the performaces were totally shit, that would be understandable. Also, if the sets were full of songs you hated then, again yeah sell your ticket but I would have to ask why you bought it in the first place but to even consider selling your ticket because setlists are repetitive is insane. Do a thought experiment, take a random show from any night of this tour so far and imagine if without knowing what any of the other setlists were, would you be happy with that set, because if you haven't been to a Circle show yet that's the situation you are in now!

I have already had to sell my ticket, so I might be biased.

But the ansewer is a massive no. I love this band to death and even if the setlists are disappointing, I still never want to miss out on seeing them. They're still playing 'Wanted Dead Or Alive', 'Saturday Night', 'Lost Highway' and 'Runaway', so...

Butters I Agree with what you wrote. I'm just curious to see who would or wouldn't.

Oh no, yeah that's cool, what I wrote wasn't directed at you or any particular person, it was just a very general response to some stuff lots of people here have said.

I wouldn’t sell my tickets for any price. Moreover, I think that in fact it is minority, not majority, who are becoming more pissed as time goes by.

I have said if before, that we all should wait at least a month or two to start our judgments. For me they are getting better and better with each show, we get to hear more and more songs, they open more and more pages of that book for us with each show. It’s just about being patient and your reward will come. Don’t expect them to throw all the rarities everyone’s waiting for in the first 10 shows because they would not be able to top themselves later on. It would be like showing us their all cards right at the beginning of the game. For me it’s obvious – step by step. Jon vocals will get stronger, and the band’s feeling of the songs will evolve with time.

Of course those who want to look only on negative side of everything will say it’s crap and that they will sell their tickets, but for me it’s totally mad. I for example look forward to hearing as much as possible songs from TC and right now with Bullet and Happy Now the band just proved that it will come. We’ve got a few more left from the album but we also have over 100 shows to go. The same goes for all the old stuff that will be played for sure as Jon has promised.

Patience – that’s a key word for me. Unfortunately some of us don’t understand it. But like I said, thankfully I think it’s minority.

Aloha !

I'm not selling my tickets because they're just a part of the holiday. However, there's no way that these setlists have convinced me to buy tickets for shows closer to home. They're not worth the amounts of cash they're asking for it.

Unfortunately it's you who doesn't understand that a fan in Glendale has the same right to a rare song as a fan in Wichita. All this talk on how the band can't play 10 rare songs in the first 10 shows because they'd be showing all their cards is bullshit. There's currently roughly 60 shows planned and the band have over 60 songs that either haven't been played at all or haven't been played in a long time. And that fan in Glendale can't buy anything for the "we'll play the more rare stuff later in the tour because we're not willing to show all the cards just yet".

Bon Jovi have over 250 different songs of which only roughly 20 songs appear every night. That'd mean there's 230 different songs to pick over a tour of appearanlty 135 shows. If they'd play a rare song every night they'd still not be showing all their cards, and the fact that they/Jon are/is not willing to do so is a big **** you to all the die hards that keep showing up every tour.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

I'm not selling my tickets (well, except for an extra for Nashville, but that's a different story), but seeing ILTT return last night was demoralizing. My shows finally start in 5 days and now ILTT is back in Jon's brain? Marvelous. Just what I wanted to hear . . . NOT!

I don't think the setlists have been that bad, I am looking forward to seeing SFTP and HT as I have never seen them live before, and the same goes for The Circle tracks. However, they seriously need to address the number of LH songs, for me the only ones that should be played are AOD, WLOL and WGIGO (which I personally don't like but it does seem to do the trick), but even so these should not be played every night. In my mind there should only be one LH song a night, especially when you consider there last tour was the LH tour, and the fact that the album is crap

I just knew that someone would come up with that. And of course I could expect it would be you

I don’t think that set lists are bad right now. They are very good. And I am sure they will get even better. The only thing they should change are the numbers of LH songs per night that should be limited to minimum. So fans in Glendale or Wichita should be satisfied in my opinion as much as those in Hawaii or in any other city so far or yet to be visited. If you they want more, they should buy more tickets. At least they had a privilege to hear them in their home town. I have to travel half of Europe to see them, so if it’s not a problem for me (a guy from a poor country in Eastern Europe), for sure it shouldn’t be a problem for a die-hard fan in US or Western Europe. For me the biggest reward is to hear them live, no matter what they play as this is the band I love the most.

Do you really think that lack of 2 rarities would ruin your show? For me it wouldn’t. Besides every die-hard would love to hear a different rarity. There’s no such thing as a ‘rarity that every die-hard would love to hear’. And only because something is not played very often it doesn’t have to mean it should only because 10 or 1000 die-hard fans would love to hear it. And what if Jon decides to play the song that you’d love to hear on the show you did not attend? Would it count as rarity being played? Yes. Would you experience it? No. It’s just a matter of statistics to me. Let’s say that each show gathers about 20 000 people. On this board we have about 400 die hard fans. So let’s imagine that all of us go on the same show and I could bet all that I have that half of us would not hear the songs they love the most. After spending few months over here I realized how our music tastes about BJ songs differ, and yet we still talk about the same band. Moreover those 400 die-hards would only be 2% of the total attendance of the show. So what do you think Jon should do? Concentrate on die-hard fans and play 25 rarities to fully satisfy them (and even if it were 25 rarities someone would bitch that he/she did not hear his/hers favourite one) or play mostly hits to satisfy those 98% of the audience? I have said it before, in my opinion Jon does not have a simple task with making the set lists. There’s always going to be someone disappointed. And he’s choices for rarities are just lucky shots. Some die-hards would love them, and some still wouldn’t.

Another thing is that Jon and the band also want to play songs they enjoy personally. For sure there are songs he doesn’t feel anymore so he doesn’t want to sing them. And there are loads of rarities on that list for sure. And I don’t see any force that would make him sing them. And I don’t blame him for that. He wrote them and each songs means something to him. Some are more important and some are not that important. So he has the right to decide what he wants to play, even if some fans won’t like it (because again – some will enjoy it too).

But the thing is that you will be disappointed only if your expectations are to high. If you really think that you would hear your personal TOP 25 songs out of 250 you have mentioned on one show, you must be really out of this world. Everything starts with your expectations. I for example want to hear TC songs, the more the better. And my favourite KTF of course. And that’s all I expect. The rest is just additional pleasure. I’d love to hear These Days, Dry County, Something To Believe In, Undivided, Dirty Little Secret, Santa Fe, Ballad of Youth or Always, but I realize that it won’t happen, at least not all of them on one night. You have to be realistic. And of course when you look at my list above it doesn’t have to suit your dream list, and probably it won’t. You will have your own dream set of rarities. So let’s say that we both go to the same show and Jon plays mine and not yours. Would you be disappointed? Probably yes. Would that mean that the show was crap? For you maybe yes. But for me it wouldn’t. So objectively it wouldn’t be a bad show with a bad set list.

So just to sum up, if you want a perfect show start saving 2 million dollars and invite the band to your town and in the agreement underline that it’s you who decides about the 25-song set list. Maybe then you would be satisfied. But probably you wouldn’t because then you’d start bitching that they want to much money from you or that Jon’s vocals are not as good as yours.