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Old 11-16-2007, 03:08 AM
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Well TD was their most successfull album over here, and I go by what I see....


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Yes you did.
Guess I could try and discuss that with you, but I don't know how These Days sold under your bridge.

Please point out where I said that...
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Guess I could try and discuss that with you, but I don't know how These Days sold under your bridge.

Please point out where I said that...
In your reaction of what outsold what

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Where did I say that?

I live in the US. I'm going by what I see. I really don't think you're one to throw stones about people stating opinions as facts, Mr. These Days Tour is the biggest because I liked it the best.
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Old 11-16-2007, 03:13 AM
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Show me where you're getting this "fact".

These Days was not their most successfull album. Are you kidding me? Common knowledge that Slippery is their biggest album, followed by Crossroad, then New Jersey.

No, I didn't.
In Europe and South America, only Cross Road has been more successful. In the UK it is by far their most succesful album and in Germany, only Keep The Faith tops it.

Besides, only looking at the support acts you could tell that the These Days was their best and biggest world tour. It was like an ongoing festival with some of the absolutely biggest bands around. I mean Van Halen, Steve Vai, Slash's Snakepit, Paradise Lost, Helloween, Ugly Kid Joe...just a few that come to my mind. I don't think anyone could even get close to Bon Jovi during those day.No metallica, no aerosmith, not even U2. The These Days era was the one which transformed them into legends...everywhere but in the US.
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In Europe and South America, only Cross Road has been more successful. In the UK it is by far their most succesful album and in Germany, only Keep The Faith tops it.

Besides, only looking at the support acts you could tell that the These Days was their best and biggest world tour. It was like an ongoing festival with some of the absolutely biggest bands around. I mean Van Halen, Steve Vai, Slash's Snakepit, Paradise Lost, Helloween, Ugly Kid Joe...just a few that come to my mind. I don't think anyone could even get close to Bon Jovi during those day.No metallica, no aerosmith, not even U2. The These Days era was the one which transformed them into legends...everywhere but in the US.

well their is always someone to explain it properly... there ya go Mr Danfan.
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well their is always someone to explain it properly... there ya go Mr Danfan.
Are we talking just the US? No.
Are we talking just Europe? No.

Worldwide, the ran of their mosy successfull albums is as follows:

Slippery When Wet
Crossroad
New Jersey
Keep The Faith
These Days

If you want to judge their tours on a monetary basis, the HAND Tour would be #1. If you wanna judge their tours by fans played to, New Jersey would be #1. True, they played mostly arenas, but their were several places they played that more than made up for it:

Giants Stadium
Moscow
Rock in Rio
Mexico
Tokyo
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Are we talking just the US? No.
Are we talking just Europe? No.

Worldwide, the ran of their mosy successfull albums is as follows:

Slippery When Wet
Crossroad
New Jersey
Keep The Faith
These Days

If you want to judge their tours on a monetary basis, the HAND Tour would be #1. If you wanna judge their tours by fans played to, New Jersey would be #1. True, they played mostly arenas, but their were several places they played that more than made up for it:

Giants Stadium
Moscow
Rock in Rio
Mexico
Tokyo
Exactly world, and as you could read, besides crossroad, TD was huge everywhere BUT the US. Everywhere but US = larger then the US. So where you get your ideas from beats the hell out of me, but it ain't out of logica.





Lets see:

India
Taiwan
Filipines
Thailand
Malaysia
Indonesia
South-Korea
Tokyo of course, why is that special????
Wembley 3x
South-Africa
Mexico
Venuzuela
Brazil
Ecuador
Columbia
Argentine
Autralie 7x
Europe
US

to name a few. + the sets they played + how they played + the stadiums. How the **** can you compare that to any post 2000 tour?????????????????

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Old 11-16-2007, 03:34 AM
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Exactly world, and as you could read, besides crossroad, TD was huge everywhere BUT the US. Everywhere meaning larger then the US.

Lets see:

Inida
Taiwan
Filipines
Thailand
Malaysia
Indonesia
South-Korea
Tokyo of course, why is that special????
Wembley 3x
South-Africa
Mexico
Venuzuela
Brazil
Ecuador
Columbia
Argentine
Autralie 7x
Europe
US

to name a few
It's common knowledge that after Keep The Faith, they became more of a worldwide band than US band. I don't have the exact numbers, but considering the New Jersey tour went on for some 250 shows, I would say it's a safe bet, that tour played to the most people.

I also think it was their most meaningful tour. New Jersey was the 1st Western Record ever released in the Soviet Union. They were the biggest band in the world, bar none. New Jersey sold 18 million copes worldwide, almost DOUBLE what These Days sold.

I'm not comparing to any post 2000 tour. I'm comparing it to 1988-1990.
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It's common knowledge that after Keep The Faith, they became more of a worldwide band than US band. I don't have the exact numbers, but considering the New Jersey tour went on for some 250 shows, I would say it's a safe bet, that tour played to the most people.

I also think it was their most meaningful tour. New Jersey was the 1st Western Record ever released in the Soviet Union. They were the biggest band in the world, bar none. New Jersey sold 18 million copes worldwide, almost DOUBLE what These Days sold.
That's not true, there you go AGAIN, With New Jersey they were the biggest band in the US not in the world. Dude, dude, dude.
I was too young for the New Jerser era I'd give you that, but I don't believe they were bigger worldwide then as around the TD era.\






New Jersey had 8 years of more selling, those years can easily be doubled as that just about the time when copying cd's was big and downloading was turning big. its comparing apples with peers. You can only compare those if they were in around the same era released (ie sww --> nj, ktf --> td, crap --> more crap --> hand)





Man I just saw they even played freaking Luxembourgh (that's not a city) during the TD tour so you might as well stuff it, enough said with that.

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Are we talking just the US? No.
Are we talking just Europe? No.

Worldwide, the ran of their mosy successfull albums is as follows:

Slippery When Wet
Crossroad
New Jersey
Keep The Faith
These Days
This is so because back in the day it took them some years to be well know over here in Europe. SWW never topped the British or the German charts(main markets), neither did New Jersey whereas those 2 albums sold 13 respectively 8 million in the US alone. Slippery sold less than 4 million in Europe. Just as a matter of comparison, Destination Anywhere sold 1.5 million in Germany alone.All you hear in America is how it flopped whereas in Germany it was Record of the year- Yes, the US is a big market, but what you do is equate US success with world success. SWW and Jersey were HUGE in the US BUT only moderately successful in Europe. KTF and TD were HUUUUUGE over here but flopped in America. It's that easy. CROSS ROAD was indeed an album which was globally successful selling over 4 million in the US and over 15 million in the rest of the world.

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If you wanna judge their tours by fans played to, New Jersey would be #1. True, they played mostly arenas, but their were several places they played that more than made up for it:

Giants Stadium
Moscow
Rock in Rio
Mexico
Tokyo
Can you show me some stats on that? What do you base that on? I think it's absolutely not true. On the TD tour they played ROCK AM RING and ROCK IM PARK(these two are HUGE) and shitloads of other European festivals. They played 3 nights at Wembley, they played even INDONESIA not to mention the Brazilian and Argentinian dates. I can't believe that there were more people on the NJ tour. But again, this is just a guess.
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This is so because back in the day it took them some years to be well know over here in Europe. SWW never topped the British or the German charts(main markets), neither did New Jersey whereas those 2 albums sold 13 respectively 8 million in the US alone. Slippery sold less than 4 million in Europe. Just as a matter of comparison, Destination Anywhere sold 1.5 million in Germany alone.All you hear in America is how it flopped whereas in Germany it was Record of the year- Yes, the US is a big market, but what you do is equate US success with world success. SWW and Jersey were HUGE in the US BUT only moderately successful in Europe. KTF and TD were HUUUUUGE over here but flopped in America. It's that easy. CROSS ROAD was indeed an album which was globally successful selling over 4 million in the US and over 15 million in the rest of the world.'
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not to mention the Brazilian and Argentinian dates.
3 sold-out nights in Brazil
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