Billboard Boxscore - European Tour

Supersonic · #31 08-24-2013, 07:40 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Jonty

Got to say there was more than 45K at Slane. I would have put it closer to 60-65k based on seeing the crowd and having been there before.

The numbers for Billboard are coming from the promoters themselves, they're rarely inaccurate, and certainly not off by at least 20.000 people. A few hundred might be able to sneak in, not 20.000.

And in regards to comparing them to U2, I'd say that's the only band that gets a pass considering it's their hometurf. It'd be like saying Bon Jovi never being capable of selling out as many gigs in the U.K. as Oasis did.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Serpephone · #32 08-25-2013, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nikos greece

i think these figures shows us a couple of things...
1. bon jovi can still fill stadiums around the world
2.if the prices were lower then the demand would be much higher
3.the band has overtoured many markets...the demand is there in order to make the tour really profitable for jon but he should wait and come up with an album he feels proud and wants to play in its entirety and not cliche/slogan titles that are dated and cringworthy...
4.this tour will be no.1 in the end of the year, jon may finally gather the millions he needs to buy his own team, but in the end this album and this tour will mostly be remembered because of all the fails that happened

It seems as though they used a different promoter/manager this tour? Promotion has been awful and the whole thing has seemed so disorganized...

I am not one to complain, but this just has been a mess of a tour...

crashed · #33 08-25-2013, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

Then who can you actually compare Bon Jovi to when it comes to acts who played there the past 10 years?

Red Hot Chili Peppers? One of the biggest bands out there with an indie touch, sold it out.

Madonna? Biggest pop star out there with an audience not used to festival setups, sold it out with ease.

The Rolling Stones? Biggest rock band out there with an audience that usually consists of 50+ year olds also not used to a festival setup. Sold it out with ease.

Oasis? Indie band that sold out Slane in 3 hours despite having played in front of 30.000 people in Belfast a year earlier.

Kings Of Leon? A relatively new band, sold out Slane in 40 minutes.

You tell me.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

But again your comparing it in the last ten years, I'm pretty sure if Jovi hadn't toured in 2008, 2011 and 2013 they'd have also sold it out with ease. It's over-saturation in touring, we all know that. So there probably isn't anyone you can compare them too because of that one reason.

Jonty · #34 08-25-2013, 01:45 PM

Not really relevant to this post (although doesnt merit a separate post), why before Bad Name does Jon shout, 'take me to the sea'?? Jon does it at nearly every show and I havent quite grasped the relevance!!

Dave88 · #35 08-25-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Serpephone

It seems as though they used a different promoter/manager this tour? Promotion has been awful and the whole thing has seemed so disorganized...

I am not one to complain, but this just has been a mess of a tour...

Nope, this tour has been organized by AEG Live, the same company that has promoted BJ tours since HAND.

Dave88 · #36 08-25-2013, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonty

Not really relevant to this post (although doesnt merit a separate post), why before Bad Name does Jon shout, 'take me to the sea'?? Jon does it at nearly every show and I havent quite grasped the relevance!!

It's "take me to the C", which is the key Bad Name is in.

Jonty · #37 08-26-2013, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave88

It's "take me to the C", which is the key Bad Name is in.

cool, thanks!

Supersonic · #38 08-26-2013, 05:22 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by crashed

But again your comparing it in the last ten years, I'm pretty sure if Jovi hadn't toured in 2008, 2011 and 2013 they'd have also sold it out with ease. It's over-saturation in touring, we all know that. So there probably isn't anyone you can compare them too because of that one reason.

Although I agree the overtouring has made a huge impact on the concert not selling out, fact of the matter remains that neither the Stones, Madonna and Eminem are acts that are typical festival acts. The last place you'd expect them to perform is on a muddy field in the middle of nowhere, yet they all did it with ease. Why does Bon Jovi get an excuse while other bands or acts were able to do it desite their initial issues whatever they may be (Not a band for it, not popular enough and the list goes on).

Fact of the matter is, Bon Jovi shows up and can't pull it off, despite there being an insane amount of promotion for it compared to other regular shows, the entire band showing up for a seperate press day and there being so many deals through Groupon and what not. All things no other act ever needed to shift at least 40.000 tickets. Bon Jovi sold 45.000 tickets, which is close to half of what other acts have sold in other years.

Lately whenever Bon Jovi can't do a certain thing anymore, there always seem to be a few people trying to find excuses as to why they couldn't. It's as if they refuse to realize that more and more people just no longer find Bon Jovi a decent live act that's worth the hassle. Judging from everyone who's gone to see the band this tour everyone kind of agrees that it's become more of a "Yes, that's nice dear" kind of thing as opposed to it being thé show of the year for them.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

crashed · #39 08-26-2013, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

Although I agree the overtouring has made a huge impact on the concert not selling out, fact of the matter remains that neither the Stones, Madonna and Eminem are acts that are typical festival acts. The last place you'd expect them to perform is on a muddy field in the middle of nowhere, yet they all did it with ease. Why does Bon Jovi get an excuse while other bands or acts were able to do it desite their initial issues whatever they may be (Not a band for it, not popular enough and the list goes on).

Fact of the matter is, Bon Jovi shows up and can't pull it off, despite there being an insane amount of promotion for it compared to other regular shows, the entire band showing up for a seperate press day and there being so many deals through Groupon and what not. All things no other act ever needed to shift at least 40.000 tickets. Bon Jovi sold 45.000 tickets, which is close to half of what other acts have sold in other years.

Lately whenever Bon Jovi can't do a certain thing anymore, there always seem to be a few people trying to find excuses as to why they couldn't. It's as if they refuse to realize that more and more people just no longer find Bon Jovi a decent live act that's worth the hassle. Judging from everyone who's gone to see the band this tour everyone kind of agrees that it's become more of a "Yes, that's nice dear" kind of thing as opposed to it being thé show of the year for them.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

There's no excuse. Those acts haven't toured as much as Jovi, so seeing them becomes more an event whereas with Bon Jovi it's become a bi-annual almost regular thing.

Overtouring is a fact. It's simple as that and that's why there have been a lot of empty seats this tour. They should have skipped cities and areas they've done to death, especially small countries like Scotland or Ireland, or played smaller venues there. Whilst I'll book tickets to see them every tour, I'm very much in the minority and if you've seen them once or twice in five years as a casual that's probably enough.

Perhaps the tour's just over ambitious in light of that fact.

And Slane was the show of the year for me so far. It was a brilliant night.

Butters · #40 08-27-2013, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by crashed

There's no excuse. Those acts haven't toured as much as Jovi, so seeing them becomes more an event whereas with Bon Jovi it's become a bi-annual almost regular thing.

Overtouring is a fact. It's simple as that and that's why there have been a lot of empty seats this tour. They should have skipped cities and areas they've done to death, especially small countries like Scotland or Ireland, or played smaller venues there. Whilst I'll book tickets to see them every tour, I'm very much in the minority and if you've seen them once or twice in five years as a casual that's probably enough.

Perhaps the tour's just over ambitious in light of that fact.

And Slane was the show of the year for me so far. It was a brilliant night.

Yeah, but you can't put it all down to overtouring. Bruce has toured Ireland for example, as much if not more than Bon Jovi in the last 10 years and he came back this year and sold out 5 stadium shows. Admittedly they were smaller stadiums but he still sold in the region of 120,000 tickets at a high price range.

Bruce is legendary for his live shows, as are Bon Jovi in Ireland although probably not to the same degree but they do have an excellent reputation as a quality live act. What Bruce has that Bon Jovi don't in the last 10 years is a musical pedigree. Bruce created one of his best albums of his career in Magic in 2007 and he created a serious, relevant, and wonderful album in Wrecking Ball which he utterly believed in and sold to his audience.

Bon Jovi in reality have been putting out mediocre fare that's shamelessly created for mass consumption with no real depth or musical conviction. If I were a casual fan and I heard All About Loving You, Welcome to Wherever You Are, Who Says, Lost Highway, Born To Follow, Because We Can etc. I would need a fist full of viagra to get excited.

If Bon Jovi had maintained an artistic and musical integrity in the manner Bruce has over the last 10 years, they could easily have filled Slane. They filled Croke Park (82,500) in 2006!

Overtouring is not the major problem, the music and passion is.

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