Bon Jovi Planning to Perform Rarities on 'Circle' Tour

danfan · #41 12-27-2009, 06:09 AM

Seb, just 1 question - Do you believe that no songs off The Circle are radio friendly as a bad thing? I sure don't. Radio sucks right now. I'm very happy with many songs off of The Circle. I'd be happy to hear many of them live.

Though Bullet isn't one of my favorites from the record, I actually think it might work OK live. Sort of like Hook Me Up. It was never a favorite of mine, but somehow came across OK live. On the other hand, my favorite song on the album, Love's The Only Rule, I can't see coming off well live. 15-20 years ago, it's have been money. Nowadays, I just don't see it.

Panda · #42 12-27-2009, 06:15 AM

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Everything you said.
And plus...if they ever play Hearts Breaking Even...I can die happy.

I would too. But sadly the odds of them playing hearts is about the odds of them playing Santa fe. The vocals are much too challenging, and even at jons peak during the lost highway tour I very much doubt he could hit the notes. Plus, I believe the song was written about heather locklier. (richies ex wife, although I'm not sure) and the fact its never been performed (or soundchecked for that matter) lowers the odds even more.

davidbow1e · #43 12-27-2009, 11:46 AM

Either way, if you like the idea or not, the band is getting amped up for this long ass tour and I for one cant wait to see them in Detroit again, and see all the sweet footage up on youtube. This band rocks live, and my only concern is that Richie takes it up a few notches from his last performances.

Kuba80BJ · #44 12-27-2009, 07:17 PM

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You're wrong about that. The average Bon Jovi fan is roughly 30-40 years old, listens to eighties rock to pop rock and is not into rap, pop & R&B. Sure, there'll be a few exceptions, but the average Bon Jovi fan mostly listens to guitar orientated music.

First we would have to come out with official definition of a 'casual fan', 'fan', and 'die hard fan'

And I think we have different definitions right now about that. But my point was not the thing what casual fan listens to but that he knows about max. 5 BJ songs anyway. So if I were Jon I wouldn’t bother about casual fans while preparing the set list anyway. They will be happy just to hear those 5 songs.

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Jon's plan is to play the album from start to finish, just like he did with Lost Highway several times. He says it should work this time because the album is written for stadiums all around the world, but the problem with Lost Highway wasn't that it wasn't for huge arena's, the problem was that it just wasn't good enough to be played from start to finish. And just like with Lost Highway the flow on The Circle is completely lost. If you honestly believe that fans who have visited the gig will go out to buy the album you're delusional. If that'd be true, why doesn't the album go up in the charts after a band has visited a certain country? And playing a new song followed up by an old song followed up by a new song is messing up a set badly, it gives the set a terrible flow and the crowd will never be able to get into the concert at all.

So we disagree on that 100% and there’s no need to try to force ourselves to change our opinions about that.

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Bad Medicine, thank you very much. I really don't care about Bullet at all, it'll suck live because of the many guitar layers in the song that can't be replicated, and the vocals will be drowned out by the music because of them being in such a low register. And believe me, I'm pretty tired of Bad Medicine right now.

Those 2 were just examples. You can choose any song from the past you like and have heard numerous times and any song from TC you like the most and never heard it live.

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Yes I do. This album does not contain any hits, if you honestly think that any other song from the Circle is more radio friendly than We Weren't Born To Follow you know nothing about what is radio friendly and what isn't. If Superman Tonight really would be the big hit you think it could be it'd have lift off already. When It's My Life, Have A Nice Day and even Everyday were released, the songs were on the radio all the time. Superman Tonight isn't, and neither will any other songs be. WWBTF is, despite it being very average, typical Bon Jovi stuff. The other stuff on The Circle isn't, it wouldn't even have made it as a b-side for Crush.

Only time will tell. But even if all of them will not become hits on the radio and will not be at the top of charts - I don’t care about it. I think the songs are great and I can find at least 5-7 hits on the album for myself.

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An average fan that hears Happy Now live won't love it and won't remember it either after leaving. He/She'll be going like "Wow, 12 new songs and I can't remember one of them. Yeah, the one with shalalala, but that one wasn't brilliant either. Bon Jovi played Hey God one time in America and casual fans were wondering what song it was. Imagine that 12 times, and the mood is set. You can do something like that several times, but not 12 times. It doesn't work like that, people don't go to a concert to be tought by Bon Jovi about their latest 12 songs. They go to a concert to hear Bon Jovi play the songs they know and to have a good time. They can understand it when Bon Jovi plays 5-7 songs they don't know, but if half of the set consists of songs that have never been hits and is just the band's effort to shove the album thru their throats it's no reason for an average concert-visitor to go see the band again.

We disagree again on that. No need to keep on arguing about it.

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Once a song is played is live they seldomly change the arrangements in order to make the songs sound better. The biggest (and only) change the past 10 years was the violin intro to Undivided after a few times they'd played the song live. There's no way this band is going to make Superman Tonight sound better, the same for We Weren't Born To Follow. Jon might struggle less with the vocals once the tour is running, but better vocals doesn't save a song itself completely. The songs just don't work when played live. I've been following Bon Jovi since 2000 and have always known what song would work and what song wouldn't. This album doesn't contain any surprises about that. It's all overproduced and can't be reproduced live. Everyday didn't work live because it contained 6545 guitar layers while the live version contained only 1. The same goes for Bullet and other songs on The Circle.

So again, you have your opinion and I’ve got mine. But I think that your thoughts are just another proof that’s it’s good idea to play the new songs. You are saying that they never change arrangements of the songs, so I think it’s better to hear any new song live once than to hear any hit for the hundredth time exactly the same as it was on previous tours.

Sebastiaan, all in all, it’s really nice to have an interesting conversation with you. As far as I have checked you are one of the people that are on this board for a really long time and have the biggest number of posts. I am just a freshman on this board, but I always will say my opinions not matter what other people think. You know – I wasn’t born to follow

I respect yours and I hope that you will respect mine. But at the end Jon and the band have their own opinion and no matter what we will write over here, they will make the set lists just like they want and how they feel. And that’s good. They weren’t born to follow for sure.

After reading many bad opinions on this board about anything the band is doing now or is about to do, yesterday at night I expressed my feelings about the present state of the band in the thread ‘Any Hope Left?’. So if you have a minute just have a look on that, as I don’t want to put the same post on different threads. I think that you and some people over here need to find some more optimism in BJ music and not only trying to find the dark side of everything. Keep the Faith – and the sun will shine again

Ang1e · #45 12-27-2009, 07:18 PM

I am all for hearing the entire album live, never been so excited about the new songs and usually look forward the entire show. Now, I found a show early in the tour, especially for that - hearing the new songs. And since when some of you care what the casual fans would like and if it will go over well with them? We would like the die hards to be satisfied.

luceknight · #46 12-28-2009, 12:00 AM

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I would too. But sadly the odds of them playing hearts is about the odds of them playing Santa fe. The vocals are much too challenging, and even at jons peak during the lost highway tour I very much doubt he could hit the notes. Plus, I believe the song was written about heather locklier. (richies ex wife, although I'm not sure) and the fact its never been performed (or soundchecked for that matter) lowers the odds even more.

Yeah, it's so sad they never performed it live...I really don't understand why...is one of the bests (and I know people who considers this as the best song of the album) of These Days! But yea, like you said, the vocals are challenging for Jon's voice now, but he could try

And well, for what I've known...this song was written when Richie had to go for a date with Heather, and Jon wrote it all by himself while he was gone.

So...no resentiments about this beautiful song, whatever it happened it's in the past...PLEEEASE, sing Hearts Breaking Even!!

Simon · #47 12-28-2009, 12:07 AM

After the european setlits from the LH tour we could all be a bit more optimistic after this article. Of course they are quick with words... The one time they announced playing more album tracks on a tour was in 2001, at least they came up with "Raise Your Hands" (which was new back then) and "Wild Is The Wind" (here and there) or "Something to believe in" (here and there). But this sounds convincing enough to expect "Dry County" again, "One Wild Night" or even "Hey God"... and of course, "I Got The Girl".

I find that article rather promising. The part about "Keep The Faith" not being played in 10 years is irritating, so is the "Always" bit. Some things need to be put straight there, but things look good methinks.

eddie73 · #48 12-28-2009, 12:39 AM

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Aloha !

Playing an entire album in front of an audience that doesn't know it is pretty pointless. There are no songs on the album that will convert a casual fan into a bigger fan and will make them buy the album. They didn't have any hits with this album because the casual fan didn't care. What's the point of playing 12 songs when your audience isn't coming to your show to hear the new songs anyway? Just because you, and pretty much all of Jovitalk think it's a good album doesn't mean it'll go over well in a live setting. If the album had been a hit it'd been a great move to play all of it, people would actually want to hear it. Now they just don't care at all, so why bother in the first place?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

They didn't have any hits with this album

****in hell seb, they have only released one single so far, all be it the worst song on the record

DryCounty · #49 12-28-2009, 02:05 AM

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Aloha !

Playing an entire album in front of an audience that doesn't know it is pretty pointless. There are no songs on the album that will convert a casual fan into a bigger fan and will make them buy the album. They didn't have any hits with this album because the casual fan didn't care. What's the point of playing 12 songs when your audience isn't coming to your show to hear the new songs anyway? Just because you, and pretty much all of Jovitalk think it's a good album doesn't mean it'll go over well in a live setting. If the album had been a hit it'd been a great move to play all of it, people would actually want to hear it. Now they just don't care at all, so why bother in the first place?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Actually I think We Weren't Born To Follow is a pretty big song already. Almost everybody knows the songs, even the non-Bon Jovi fans have heard it and says it is a pretty awesome tune ! Although one hit song won't be enough to save the set !

Dawn · #50 12-29-2009, 01:46 AM

the last tour in Europe threw out some what you might class as rarities.. lie to me at bristol springs to mind.... US fans are and have always been jealous of the rarer songs played in Europe and have expressed this on the BJ forums even more so in the latter years... wow Jon finally listened ! Make it a mixed bag of songs and change the setlists often with a dash of rarity, u will keep your audience and gross the biggest tour once more...

Im not for hearing circle live as a whole album.... but I wouldnt want a refund.

Dawn

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