can u use fanclub card to get into gold standing instead?!

I think thats gonna win the Jovi-talk award for longest message

(Disclaimer: there will (probably) be no such award, so don't go trying to beat this one - You'll wear the roller on my mouse out).

Mike

Lol - Hey, don't apologise to me - apologise to the mouse I think he'll be dead before this tour starts

I'm not saying it has been given out this far in advance, i'm saying it would be nice to know something.

I am not confusing any tour with this Bounce tour.

**If there are any concerns about purchasing VIP/Gold Circle vs. regular GA seats, if you purchase VIP seats, it will get you in the front area if you don't then you may have access to the front area with wristbands depending upon capacity.**
To me until this sentance says anything else, depending on capacity no FC members will be allowed. Doesn't this read plain English?!


They should've thought this one through carefully before going ahead with what they've arranged.

Everyone was warned as to the tickets, it was at your own risk as to what type of ticket you bought, if you were a FC member but didnt buy gold and dont get in the pit, that is the risk you took.


We'll probably end up with nothing. Certain systems havent always worked in the UK, and to me this is another one that hasnt.

Perhaps you'd like to explain that to the fans who bought tix in the pre-sale as SOON as they went on sale... which was ummm what... 8 hours b4 Backstage updated their site with their info? Tix were on sale at 9am; Backstage updated their site at around 5pm IIRC.

Calling Tixmaster was no good incidentally -- they didn't know what the gold tix were for.

So, with a total lack of information about these gold tix, it's very possible that a LOT of fan club members did what they did on the previous two tours, and bought the cheapest GA tix available.

Heh, that's something we both agree on -- it would be nice to know at least something about the upcoming FC arrangements.

But the thing is that Backstage doesn't want to (and legally can't, I think) promise us anything they might not be able to deliver for whatever reason, so they're opting for not saying anything rather than saying something they might have to take back if things won't work out the way they wanted to. Once they have some concrete and confirmed information, they will tell us as soon as possible.

That wasn't meant for you Yvonne, that was meant for anyone else who might be reading this thread and seeing the fan club arrangement info. I don't want to be responsible for starting rumours, LOL!

I think it reads rather ambiguous English, not plain English... And it doesn't say that "no FC members will be allowed", it says that if you only have regular GA tickets, you might not be able to enter the pit because there might not be enuff room in the pit for NON-GOLD-TICKET-HOLDER fan club members. And it also doesn't say that there wouldn't be any fan club benefits or wristbands at all, it only refers to the above-mentioned non-Gold-Ticket-holder fan club members and their fan club benefits. There is a big difference between not having fan club wristbands and fan club benefits at all and not being able to give fan club wristbands to those fan club members who only have regular GA tickets.

That could be true... But how do we know whether or not Backstage even knew about the existence of these Gold Tickets? Like Melissa said, the notice at Backstage went up hours after the AXS pre-sale had begun, I guess it was some time in the morning NJ time. It could very well be that the Backstage staff came to work that morning, saw the messages on the Board and possibly some e-mails ppl had sent them about the Gold Tickets and made a few phonecalls to find out what was going on. Then, after they had heard from whomever what the Gold Tickets were all about, they posted the message on the News page, hoping that the UK fan club members took their advice and bought Gold Tickets. For all we know, they might have already agreed with the promoter to get back to the FC arrangements once the tour is getting closer, but right now and around the time of the AXS pre-sale and the general on-sale in Europe they probably had their hands full with the US fan club ticketing and fan club trip arrangements.

It also looks like the European AXS pre-sale came as a surprise not only to the fan club but to the AXS system itself, as the pre-sale for the UK gigs started at 9 am UK time but it took hours after that before ppl started receiving their AXS passcodes -- without which you couldn't take part in the AXS pre-sale. I got my AXS e-mail between 6 and 7 pm my time (4 and 5 pm UK time), before that I could do nothing but sit back and watch as people were buying tics and trying to figure out whether to buy regular GA tics or Gold Tics.

Again, like Melissa said, the notice didn't go up until hours after the AXS pre-sale had started. When Backstage realised what was going on, they put up the notice and asked people to buy Gold Tickets just in case. That way they can't be held legally responsible for anything if it turns out that fan club members who don't have Gold Tickets won't be able to enter the pit. They've encouraged us to buy Gold Tickets by telling us that if you want guaranteed access to the pit, you should buy Gold.

I still want to maintain, though, that they haven't said anything about not providing fan club benefits or wristbands in the UK at all, they've only referred to those fan club members who don't have Gold Tickets.

FYI, the year 2001 was actually the first time any significant fan club benefits (wristbands + early entry) were applied to just about every (?) show on the band's European tour. AFAIK, there were some individual shows in 1995 and/or 1996 where fan club members were either allowed to enter the venue early or had the pit completely to themselves (with no early entry tho, I think), but other than those shows there have been no significant FC benefits before 2001. The wristband system in 2000 was a joke, it didn't matter whether or not you got your wristband -- if you had queued from early on, you still got in the pit and even to the front row with or without a wristband. And that didn't just apply to the UK shows, that applied to each and every show on the Crush Tour.

All in all, the OWN Tour was the first tour when FC arrangements were provided for every show in every country in Europe... So I don't think how fair it is to say that "certain systems haven't always worked in the UK" -- before the OWN Tour, those systems didn't work ANYWHERE. And with the exception of the Milton Keynes show, the UK fan club arrangements on the OWN Tour worked out rather nicely. When things went wrong, it was the local security that screwed up, not Backstage or BJM. They did whatever they could, but it's simply impossible for them to be out there holding the local security by the hand and telling them what to do at every step of the way.

I know there were some ppl who were drowning BSWJBJ into complaints even after the OWN Tour, cause the arrangements didn't always work the way Backstage and BJM wanted them to. One can only hope that those complaints didn't discourage BSWJBJ from trying to provide similar arrangements for us on the next tour.

This is exactly what I'm worried about. If there are a lot of interest groups with different kinds of tickets and wristbands, it will be very difficult for the organizers at each respective venue to keep the order, and to ensure that people get in at the right time. I very much appreciate the fact that the fc are doing what they can to provide wristbands, which isn't as simple as it might seem. But it's known to have happen that the organizers do not know enough about fc /other arrangements, and can't act accordingly. That causes a lot of problems... I feel that the less different kinds of wristbands, the less chance there is to make a mess of it. I don't want to see people passing out before BJ even gets to play, and I certainly don't want to see people passing out before they even get to the pit.

I think that the fc wants to give the best for their members, and it's ok, but for me, the problem here seems to be that there are so many different organizations involved here (backstage, AXS, security, etc...) for this to work very well. It seems like information doesn't flow even within an organization, let alone between them. All this seems to have come as a surprise to everyone, not just the fans. We just gotta trust the people arranging this to be professionals, hope that everything goes well, and hope and trust that BJ will be at their best next year! Cause at the end of the day, that's what this is all about!

JoviLaura

IF the previous years are anything to go by, the only people who will get wristbands are fan club members -- the Gold Ticket holders will probably have "Gold Circle/Standing" printed on their tickets, so they don't need wristbands to enter the pit. And again, if and hopefully when the previous years are anything to go by, Gold Ticket holders will be able to enter the venue at the same time as the GA ticket people and the people with tickets to the seats, but hopefully not until (Gold Ticket holder) fan club members have been allowed to enter the venue and the pit. Technically it shouldn't be any more difficult than what it was in 2001 -- the only difficulties that might arise stem from the number of fan club members with regular GA tickets. If there are many fan club members with regular GA tix, say maybe +50 or +100, then there might be some problems with the capacity of the pit... Unless, of course, Backstage will come up with a solution before the tour that would ensure that all fan club members will be able to enter the pit, regardless of what kind of tickets they have.

LOL, you certainly got that right! :P How does that saying go again, "mitä useampi kokki, sitä huonompi soppa"... :P I'm having a blonde moment right now and can't remember the English equivalent of that, but the Finnish one basically means that "too many cooks will spoil the soup". In other words, the more people and the more organisations there are involved in setting up the Jovi gigs and the fan club arrangements, the more likely it is that something will go wrong. But we gotta Keep The Faith and Believe that things will turn out fine for us.

LOL @ that! More than likely to that.

Shall we end this one?! Lets just wait and see what happens in April as to whether anything happens regarding FC members and wristbands.