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Old 04-15-2022, 10:25 PM
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I think I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here for a second, but I do wonder if the high ticket prices are even due to Jon wanting to make more money for himself or to make more money for the crew etc. and if he even chooses the ticket prices himself.

I'm wondering about this because based on some figures I found from the US shows on the last tour this tour right now is probably gonna gross $22-23 million in total. And as crazy as that sounds to say that's only like 5% of Jon's net worth and he doesn't even get to keep it all for himself. It's like when you have $100 and you earn $5, except you have to split them with a band that's big enough to be considered an orchestra at this point, your manager, your crew, etc.

Of course you could say the rich just wanna get even richer, but given how much he's struggling with live performances these days it doesn't seem like a particularly lucrative investment to spend a month exhausting yourself physically and mentally just to earn such a "small" amount of money compared to what you already have, if money is your (main) motivation for doing it.

The ticket prices are obviously ridiculous (and maybe even more so from a European perspective since I've never had to pay that much money for a concert in my life), but that does - at least in part - seem more like a general problem in the US than just a Bon Jovi specific one.
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Old 04-15-2022, 10:30 PM
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I'd get that thought if it was a full blown tour, but getting gear and crew ready for just 15 shows isn't getting them much steady profit either.

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Old 04-15-2022, 10:41 PM
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I'd get that thought if it was a full blown tour, but getting gear and crew ready for just 15 shows isn't getting them much steady profit either.

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That's true, but after not being able to work properly for two years that profit - even if it's not overly big - is probably making way more of a significant difference in the crew members' bank accounts than it does in Jon's.
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Ticketmaster and other ticket brokers fluctuate the ticket prices based on what the market will bear. No one is forced to buy tickets. Jon isn’t setting the ticket prices and “milking fans for every last penny.” Good grief people.


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So I have a theory and some....."guesses" I guess that this run of show wasn't supposed to happen. Nothing about it makes sense. With the amount of shows, they ain't making much. They're promoting an album that came out two years ago, the state of Jon's voice.

Nothing about it makes sense.
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So I have a theory and some....."guesses" I guess that this run of show wasn't supposed to happen. Nothing about it makes sense. With the amount of shows, they ain't making much. They're promoting an album that came out two years ago, the state of Jon's voice.

Nothing about it makes sense.
It does if you think about it in a non financial way. I doubt they're loosing money, but they're not making that much either. Sometimes while we're criticizing Jon's voice and what not we forget that the dude is still an artist, and he's still has artistic itch to present the songs he worked so hard on to a live audience and test them. He's been writing, I guess they might start recording before the end of the year or early next year so this is his chance to play these songs live. He's spoken about how releasing 2020 was like putting the album out into a black hole. He may be a smart business man but he's allowed to let the artist in him out, especially at this stage in his career....

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Old 04-16-2022, 01:06 AM
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I think I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here for a second, but I do wonder if the high ticket prices are even due to Jon wanting to make more money for himself or to make more money for the crew etc. and if he even chooses the ticket prices himself.

I'm wondering about this because based on some figures I found from the US shows on the last tour this tour right now is probably gonna gross $22-23 million in total. And as crazy as that sounds to say that's only like 5% of Jon's net worth and he doesn't even get to keep it all for himself. It's like when you have $100 and you earn $5, except you have to split them with a band that's big enough to be considered an orchestra at this point, your manager, your crew, etc.

Of course you could say the rich just wanna get even richer, but given how much he's struggling with live performances these days it doesn't seem like a particularly lucrative investment to spend a month exhausting yourself physically and mentally just to earn such a "small" amount of money compared to what you already have, if money is your (main) motivation for doing it.

The ticket prices are obviously ridiculous (and maybe even more so from a European perspective since I've never had to pay that much money for a concert in my life), but that does - at least in part - seem more like a general problem in the US than just a Bon Jovi specific one.
Oh I'm with you, I've never blamed the ticket prices solely on the acts, it's a mixture of a lot of different things within the organization and the outside contracts with live Nation, ticketmaster, venues and so on. But we as fans and consumers decide whether what's being offered is worth it for the prices its being offered. That answer differs depending on the person but for me it's Jon's current vocal state that's the deal breaker, what he's charging is not concurrent with what he's able to deliver as sad as that is for me to say.
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Old 04-16-2022, 01:16 AM
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My two theories about it:
1. This simply is a planned extention of the three-week rehearsal. God knows how the recording sessions for the Drive-In and the 2020 concerts went and how much they had to rework or do multiple takes. All we know is how he was at the end of the 2019 and the start of the 2022 tour. Maybe he simply said he had to try if they could continue with downtuned material and his voice in the state that it is in.
2. Could it be some contractual obligation? Like Burning Bridges with the record company was? No idea what deal they had signed after the 2014/15 turmoil, but maybe they're obliged to play a certain amount of shows at minimum for the cancelled tour with Bryan Adams.
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Ticketmaster and other ticket brokers fluctuate the ticket prices based on what the market will bear. No one is forced to buy tickets. Jon isn’t setting the ticket prices and “milking fans for every last penny.” Good grief people.
The base ticket prices are decided on by the promoter, not the ticket agent. The ticket agent will add their fees on top of this. The management (and therefore the band) of course do have a say on those base ticket prices before they go on sale. The band and their management absolutely can decide how much they charge for VIP tickets.

Ticketmaster does not decide on the prices ever, aside from their own additional fees. base ticket prices are set before the show is announced. The only prices that fluctuate are the resell value, which has nothing to do with the band, management or promoter. Or if tickets are left unsold near to the time of the show, in which case they will be reduced, or offered as 2 for 1's etc - again, this would be a promoter decision rather than a ticketmaster decision.
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