Columbus Setlist

very sad, you have "A" band. I listen to the music I like, I don't ally myself with one band, and dedicate my life to them. Listening to other bands is cool you know? To be a Bon Jovi fan you don't have to listen to ONLY Bon Jovi. I have other bands, I'm going to be seeing in excess of 20 this year (hopefully by Christmas if a few more bands are announced), so I do have other bands. I didn't know that Bon Jovi only toured between 89-92.... Funny, cos I've got lodes of bootlegs from other times than this..... If a band can't do it live anymore, they shouldn't be doing it! If Bon Jovi can only put a half arced set list together, and charge a bloody fortune for the tickets, then they should make this the last one! Look at somebody like Vai. I saw him first in (let me see...99?), and he did a 2h30 show, absolutely amazing. Then I saw him again less than 18 months latter, it was a completely new band (including the amazing Billy Sheen on bass) doing a completely different set list (i.e about 5 songs the same). This is what I mean by a guy giving his moneys worth, he changed things, and the songs he did the same....well they weren't the same arrangements!

I've just gotta say that I've been looking forward to this tour for ages - & I want to go to the concert & come away having a great time. This won't be achieved by taking the worst from the setlists both before & after the gig. We r getting new songs & greatest hits - what the majority of the crowd will be expecting.

BJ r a huge stadium band & most ppl there will know all their hits - & not the other stuff.

Mike

we know that

they'll be great gigs - but this is a jovi talk discussion group, not a jovi hear-this and if you don't like it leave/don't go list...

what are your opinions on bounce as an album mike?

yeah - I know, its just when I read some of yours & Mikes posts, I think u r taking it a bit far & really drilling down the shows as not worth seeing - taking as much negative as possible for the sake of being negative. I understand your point. U r entitled to say it of course, yet after reading some of your posts I just feel...hang on....apparently BJ are awful & there shows r a waste of 3 hours.

Is this really how u feel?? 'cos this is how u r coming across.

Bounce....Disappointed on first hearing - not heavy enough, too many tracks starting slowly with pianos.

Grew on me - & I really enjoyed it from start to finish when I put it on at my old job once - the lyrics r catchy & carry u through the song, & they r all uplifting tracks. It hasn't been played as much though as when I first got SWW, New Jersey, KTF etc.

All in all - the heavy tracks are among the best I have heard from BJ - the slower ones r take it or leave it, if its on I'll listen & enjoy.

All in all, I'm just glad its another excuse for me to see them live.

Mike

Arghh..,.. read some of my other posts and you will know this is not the case... at the time too i did a 3000 word review of the MK show with nothing but praise, ditto manchester 96 and rs 98... and even stoke 2000...

i'm criticising the setlist - not the lasers, not jon's voice (which is stronger than it was on the last 3 tours since 2000), not the quality of the songs that are played, not the things jon is saying between songs...

just the song selection - and i'm far from alone on that.

No ^^^^^^^^^

agree though recently i've realised the songs aren't all that bad, it's mainly the way they were recorded [see krb's luke ebbin posts]

If you've genuinely read many of my posts you'll know one of the most common comments i make is...

"i always know they are going to be great live and better than 99% of the acts out there today"... and then the 'but' bit... that just says i'll be disappointed if they play the sets at the moment...

ie disappointed in the 'sets' not the 'shows' - there is a world of difference, and I think Warrior posted if not here, then somewhere else saying the same sort of thing... that there is a difference between being disappointed between the set and the show...

i haven't once said "columbus" or wherever was a rubbish show... i've said that the sets are dissapointing and unadventurous though

Sorry it was Supersonic not Warrior...

http://www.bonjovicentral.com/jovita...?p=64908#64908

I think the problem is - I just tend to read the first couple of lines of your posts - as they're pretty long & when u read comments such as:

from Mr McRock - It sort of sets the tone as to what to expect.

I have read back & have noticed u have started to include u enjoy the shows anyway - so I guess my perceptions r wrong - I apologise for that.

Mike

i was reading my original posts from october when everyone had a go at me, and noone bothered reading my posts either since they automatically grouped them with his...

some of mine have some 'genious' observations in them, but noone reads them... not as bad as old days though when i'd post them and everyone would just post smileys and push it to page 3 instead of 5 so it never got read...

as for new ranks:

Complainer of year - (prob KRB)

that has to be one... Zeus, Thor... Greek/mythical gods...

again, to riterate a point Tom made, this is a Bon Jovi discussion board, I'm not telling people who don't know how great Bon Jovi about the shows, I'm talking to people who will largely know what Bon Jovi can do. The simple fact is, the band don't do it for me as they could do. i.e, Bon Jovi concerts will be just another two concerts, and I won't see them as the best two concerts of my life. The thing is, certainly this topic is about set lists, and although I am ony commenting on the sets, and do expect the concert to be very good, the fact that they are largely unimaginative will reflect in the music, it has too. If like you said, the band are playing the songs that people know, then they will be playing them in a WAY that people know, i.e not varying the songs themselves. A set list will show a lot about a bands attitude. The gesture to bring back Raise your Hands on the last tour for instace, shown the fans they were there to do the buisness, to really rock. Yet what do we get now, Bounce (that one won't even wake me up) and the predictable predictable Bad Name. If the band want to excite the crowd, they should be making these bigger gestures to the fans. After all, do you not feel a little bit let down that the band arn't playing the tracks for the fans, but for the people who've heard the single in the charts, who had nothing better to do....At the end of the day, we're the reason that they are where they are, and this should be reflected in the set!

I could take for ages about how brilliant Keep The Faith, or Wanted, or Prayer was at MK, and did in my review of the show. The thing is, if I said the show's aren't worth going to (which I NEVER said) who would say, "ah well then, I don't think I'll bother"????? Nobody. What I'm saying is what I think will make the shows better, make the shows what will turn them into something special. I never said it was 3 hours waisted, the band aern't even playing this long! What I said, is if you look at a Deep Purple, or Yes, or Hughes Turner Project set list, it's complete, 100% from start to finish. WIth Bon Jovi you get about 35% of intense, exciting music, 35% middle of the road (i.e in these arms), and 30% of absolute drivil (i.e Captain Crash)...

I've seen very few concerts I'd consider to be perfect, well, I could count them one one hand. As yet, I haven't seen a perfect Bon Jovi concert, something that has inspired me, made me think, "wow, I didn't konw live music could be like that!". The doesn't mean that they are awful concerts, or the band are rubish. The thing that is significant though, is that they SHOULD be included on that list. Having heard bootlegs from 87,88,89,90.91,92, the band were astoneshing, and would have amazed me. They don't live up to these standards, and so when I see a band not furfilling their potensial, however much I enjoy the concert, there is part of me that if felling a little disapointed. I'm talking from past experiances, maybe these concerts will be truely amazing. However, a song like Bounce isn't going to sound good. It could be played by the greatest, most imaginative musicians in the world, but a bad song is going to be bad. BOn Jovi's set list includes several bad songs (my opinion of cource), but I'm not going to get into these, because the foundations just aren't there.

Also, I hate albums that grow on me because they're catchy.... The Spice Girls are catchy, but they haven't GROWN on me! Bounce turned me of straight away, and if I do play it, I will only put on three tracks, as the reast are just uninspiring. Sure, I could probably listen to it repeatedly, till I knew the words, and I'd have the tune in my head, but this wouldn't be liking it.

I do read the posts - (Its my job - lol), & am in no way saying u shouldn't post your thoughts on the setlists etc...... Its just after some of the posts I think - why am I going to see them again?? - Oh yeah 'cos I had such a good time last year. Also I think ppl who r on the high from a gig don't really need to be reading about how unispired / poor a gig was by someone who didn't even go.

Still - just my thoughts (& don't think these r aimed solely & exclusively at u - see previous post - or that u should listen to me).

Mike

(Just to clarify - the ranks will be dependant of no. of posts).