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Jeeper · #**141** 11-13-2016, 10:59 AM

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They should tour around the world,smaller or bigger venues,no matter,there is always audience for them!

It matters when the numbers don't add up. A big stage production costs money. The only way they break even/make profit playing to half empty stadiums, is if they charge silly money. But that then becomes problematic as the fan who was willing to pay £80-£100 a ticket is suddenly expected to fork out £150-£300 to compensate for the lack of interest.

The route JBJ will eventually take the band in is the RT concept. Outrageous prices, easier on the vocals.

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Old Joysey · #**142** 11-13-2016, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper

It matters when the numbers don't add up. A big stage production costs money. The only way they break even/make profit playing to half empty stadiums, is if they charge silly money. But that then becomes problematic as the fan who was willing to pay £80-£100 a ticket is suddenly expected to fork out £150-£300 to compensate for the lack of interest.

That's how BJ tours make more money than the RS or Bruce tours although the number of concertgoers is smaller.
(There are several online articles incl. statistics explaining the business side of things.)

Jeeper · #**143** 11-13-2016, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey

That's how BJ tours make more money than the RS or Bruce tours although the number of concertgoers is smaller.

(There are several online articles incl. statistics explaining the business side of things.)

They will undoubtably lose that accolade unless they start charging obscene amounts. RT's were started for a reason. It was always going to be the model the band adopt at some point down the line.

Jon is a smart guy. He's also greedy.

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Old Joysey · #**144** 11-13-2016, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper

Jon is a smart guy. He's also greedy.

He's not greedy, he wants to buy an NFL football team and needs a lot more than a mere $300 million to buy one. No shame in chasing your dream, right?

Jeeper · #**145** 11-13-2016, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey

He's not greedy, he wants to buy an NFL football team and needs a lot more than a mere $300 million to buy one. No shame in chasing your dream, right?

Assuming you're not being sarcastic - That's a very simplistic way to view things. Wanting more money to buy things at the expense of fans is not greed? Does value for money not count?

So him charging/sanctioning ( he is the CEO, right?) ridiculous amounts for tickets that were previously cheaper (when he was actually a better singer offering a better experience) is not greed?

Hmmmm. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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Eveline · #**146** 11-13-2016, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper

Assuming you're not being sarcastic - That's a very simplistic way to view things. Wanting more money to buy things at the expense of fans is not greed? Does value for money not count?

So him charging/sanctioning ( he is the CEO, right?) ridiculous amounts for tickets that were previously cheaper (when he was actually a better singer offering a better experience) is not greed?

Hmmmm. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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You hit home! They say BJ is a cash cow but who are his fans then?

Jeeper · #**147** 11-13-2016, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eveline

You hit home! They say BJ is a cash cow but who are his fans then?

Either the rich or the easily seduced. Certainly regarding extortionate prices!

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Old Joysey · #**148** 11-13-2016, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper

Assuming you're not being sarcastic - That's a very simplistic way to view things. Wanting more money to buy things at the expense of fans is not greed? Does value for money not count?

So him charging/sanctioning ( he is the CEO, right?) ridiculous amounts for tickets that were previously cheaper (when he was actually a better singer offering a better experience) is not greed?

Hmmmm. We'll have to agree to disagree.

No, I'm being realistic. Greed is more about wanting money for the sake of money or to buy things you don't really need just to have more than the joneses. On the contrary, Jon wants (needs) money to fulfil his childhood dream, there's a sentimental purpose behind it. To me, it's similar to selling things you own and/or get a better paid job in order to buy yourself your dream toy/car/house/whatever.

It's a free market, if fans don't want to pay the price he's asking for 2016-17 tickets, they're free not to. Likewise, many JTers often complain about the prices he charges for his RT events but it's a business, you don't like it? Don't take it! It's as simple as that!

As a fan, you can show you don't agree with an artist's policy by not buying their music and concert tickets. It's frustrating, I know, but it's strictly business. What is naive is thinking that artists are devoted to their fans to the point of playing for a small fee, especially once they're millionaires and used to a certain living style. As long as people are buying, there's no reason for not selling, the music industry is based on the law of supply and demand like any other business.

eg Like Jon, Bruce is said to be singing for the blue-collar worker, yet his audience is mostly made of middle-class, uper middle-class and rich people, blue-collar workers represent a small minority nowadays because they can no longer afford concert tickets, although Bruce is one of the few artists who don't ask that much to play in order to be able to offer tickets at a lower price than most other artists.

Like it or not, that's the way the music business is nowadays. I don't like it but who cares?!

Jeeper · #**149** 11-13-2016, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey

No, I'm being realistic. Greed is more about wanting money for the sake of money or to buy things you don't really need just to have more than the joneses. On the contrary, Jon wants (needs) money to fulfil his childhood dream, there's a sentimental purpose behind it. To me, it's similar to selling things you own and/or get a better paid job in order to buy yourself your dream toy/car/house/whatever.

It's a free market, if fans don't want to pay the price he's asking for 2016-17 tickets, they're free not to. Likewise, many JTers often complain about the prices he charges for his RT events but it's a business, you don't like it? Don't take it! It's as simple as that!

As a fan, you can show you don't agree with an artist's policy by not buying their music and concert tickets. It's frustrating, I know, but it's strictly business. What is naive is thinking that artists are devoted to their fans to the point of playing for a small fee, especially once they're millionaires and used to a certain living style. As long as people are buying, there's no reason for not selling, the music industry is based on the law of supply and demand like any other business.

eg Like Jon, Bruce is said to be singing for the blue-collar worker, yet his audience is mostly made of middle-class, uper middle-class and rich people, blue-collar workers represent a small minority nowadays because they can no longer afford concert tickets, although Bruce is one of the few artists who don't ask that much to play in order to be able to offer tickets at a lower price than most other artists.

Like it or not, that's the way the music business is nowadays. I don't like it but who cares?!

I understand what you're saying - but by that logic you could justify any business model overcharging or alienating a large (loyal) portion of their customers just because their CEO wants a newer, shiny plaything.

If Rupert Murdoch tomorrow decided all Sky TV customers now had to pay double their subscription fee, would that not be classed as greedy? (Especially if the service was a) not as good as it used to be & b) the increase could not be justified by overheads)

Of course it would be my prerogative to cancel - but I'd still be feeling pissed off.

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Old Joysey · #**150** 11-13-2016, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper

I understand what you're saying

sorry but no, you didn't

I made a distinction between accumulating things for the sake of it (that would be your "CEO wants a newer, shiny plaything" example) and working in order to fulfil your childhood dream (that would be Jon). I know there's a fine line between the 2 and you're free to disagree of course!

Being pissed off is the curse of the poor paying fellow, isn't it?!

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