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Old 12-15-2016, 07:17 PM
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That's absolutely terrible... A very high profile festival with pro shot footage of entire gigs getting streamed, which no doubt will end up on YouTube with millions of views (like Rock In Rio 2013 did) and thus exposing Jon's voice for casuals even further.

What is the management thinking? They should do only do stuff like Slane, Pinkpop or the Hyde Park thing, where it's much easier to avoid your show getting streamed. Or they should simply skip the festivals altogether. Having pro-shot footage that will be popular with casuals OR competing with other bands do them no favors at this stage.
Are you suggesting that a band that makes a living playing music in front of thousands of people every night avoid a stage that brings exposure? This makes no sense, and you're talking about Jon's voice as if it was some issue only Die Hards are aware of. Casual fans and even none fans have ears too, at least give them a little credit....
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Old 12-15-2016, 11:34 PM
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Are you suggesting that a band that makes a living playing music in front of thousands of people every night avoid a stage that brings exposure?(1) This makes no sense, and you're talking about Jon's voice as if it was some issue only Die Hards are aware of. Casual fans and even none fans have ears too(2), at least give them a little credit....
1. To some extent, yes, I think they should avoid exposure that makes them look bad. The band makes a living playing music due to their reputation that was built by 2.5 decades of live excellence. Since they are unable to continue that excellence, I believe they should only do shows that don't expose them and keep their reputation high based on how people perceive they sound (ala Guns N' Roses in 2016; who have very little proshot footage released in 2016). Don't get me wrong, they should have high-profile performances - there's nothing wrong with playing a new single on GMA or Ellen. But when it comes to delivering a show where you have to do ~15 old songs, of which ~10 will be absolutely butchered; these shows should be their own stadium shows; not festival ones that will be later watched by millions on YouTube. Listen, their popularity is never going to increase (except temporarily for a couple of months after Jon dies), but more and more casuals will be lost after this. E.g. I like Coldplay and plan to see them later this year. I know how Chris Martin has sounded his entire career and, while not overwhelming, he's been rather consistent. However, if he showed dramatic vocal decline since 2013 and I saw a recent gig of him showing that, I would not pay to see them anymore.
2. Yes, off course they do and many of them know this already. But they may know not know HOW bad it is. Perhaps, they perceive it as 2003-2013 level 'bad'; when in fact it's gotten drastically worse. Casuals have ears but they do not have the interest to check out bootlegs or crappy phone recordings from the pit. They do however YouTube live performances and watch the pro footage. E.g. if you are looking for a Bon Jovi gig on YouTube, you immediately find all the recent high profile gigs (Cleveland 2013, Metlife 2013, MSG 2008, etc.) along with older DVD releases. Given Rock In Rio's popularity, that show will surely appear there as well and will be watched by millions. Same with Glastonbury.

You may disagree with me and your questions are valid, but perhaps you know understand why I believe it's a mistake to book shows like this for Jon at this stage of the game.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:30 AM
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That's absolutely terrible... A very high profile festival with pro shot footage of entire gigs getting streamed, which no doubt will end up on YouTube with millions of views (like Rock In Rio 2013 did) and thus exposing Jon's voice for casuals even further.

What is the management thinking? They should do only do stuff like Slane, Pinkpop or the Hyde Park thing, where it's much easier to avoid your show getting streamed. Or they should simply skip the festivals altogether. Having pro-shot footage that will be popular with casuals OR competing with other bands do them no favors at this stage.
Management can request that the show isn't filmed for broadcast so this might not even be an issue.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:58 AM
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1. To some extent, yes, I think they should avoid exposure that makes them look bad. The band makes a living playing music due to their reputation that was built by 2.5 decades of live excellence. Since they are unable to continue that excellence, I believe they should only do shows that don't expose them and keep their reputation high based on how people perceive they sound (ala Guns N' Roses in 2016; who have very little proshot footage released in 2016). Don't get me wrong, they should have high-profile performances - there's nothing wrong with playing a new single on GMA or Ellen. But when it comes to delivering a show where you have to do ~15 old songs, of which ~10 will be absolutely butchered; these shows should be their own stadium shows; not festival ones that will be later watched by millions on YouTube. Listen, their popularity is never going to increase (except temporarily for a couple of months after Jon dies), but more and more casuals will be lost after this. E.g. I like Coldplay and plan to see them later this year. I know how Chris Martin has sounded his entire career and, while not overwhelming, he's been rather consistent. However, if he showed dramatic vocal decline since 2013 and I saw a recent gig of him showing that, I would not pay to see them anymore.
2. Yes, off course they do and many of them know this already. But they may know not know HOW bad it is. Perhaps, they perceive it as 2003-2013 level 'bad'; when in fact it's gotten drastically worse. Casuals have ears but they do not have the interest to check out bootlegs or crappy phone recordings from the pit. They do however YouTube live performances and watch the pro footage. E.g. if you are looking for a Bon Jovi gig on YouTube, you immediately find all the recent high profile gigs (Cleveland 2013, Metlife 2013, MSG 2008, etc.) along with older DVD releases. Given Rock In Rio's popularity, that show will surely appear there as well and will be watched by millions. Same with Glastonbury.

You may disagree with me and your questions are valid, but perhaps you know understand why I believe it's a mistake to book shows like this for Jon at this stage of the game.
I do get your point but I don't agree with it at all. They did the show in 2013 and it was a bad night for Jon, no Tico or Richie and they still gave an ok performance. Sure it could have been better but given the circumstance I think they did an admirable job. Don't know why you see things this way as if their current live show is something they should be ashamed of but I do believe we see the current performances that they've done completely differently...
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This is the carpool karaoke argument all over again. You're so sure and and definite that the world is going to turn their back on Jon once they hear the state of his voice and they won't.
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This is the carpool karaoke argument all over again. You're so sure and and definite that the world is going to turn their back on Jon once they hear the state of his voice and they won't.
You have tickets to any of the shows Matt?
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You have tickets to any of the shows Matt?
I haven't gotten any. I'm trying to get excited enough to drum up money I shouldn't be spending. My b-day and x-mas are around the corner so if no one goes for that as a surprise gift for me I may get a pair of the cheap tickets.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:36 PM
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I haven't gotten any. I'm trying to get excited enough to drum up money I shouldn't be spending. My b-day and x-mas are around the corner so if no one goes for that as a surprise gift for me I may get a pair of the cheap tickets.
Hope you manage at least one of the shows. We aren't going to nearly as many shows as we used to but I still cant just stay home.
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Old 12-17-2016, 03:13 PM
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Going to both Philly and MSG, Saturday night... Decent seats, lower level... Still thinking about getting Friday Night MSG too... I guess that depends on how the Philly show goes which is the week before...

The problem with the NY, NJ, Philly area is transportation costs.... Transportation almost costs as much as the tickets themselves...

The Train for 2 people is just under 50 bucks round trip so doing 2 night at MSG is a hundred bucks right there... If you drive, you have to deal with parking, gas, tolls, etc.... That ends up being a little cheaper but then you have to deal with traffic.... And traffic going into Manhattan on a Friday night during rush hour is painful...
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