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Old 03-11-2018, 07:39 PM
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The problem is, why don't people also bother listening to something else than just the hits before going to Bon Jovi shows? I mean, it seems like most Americans - the natives of the band's home country - are absolutely clueless about anything else done by BJ than Prayer, Bad Name (which still seems to be regularly called "Shot Through The Heart" after more than 30 years), Wanted and It's My Life. Hell, some people even call Always by the name "I Will Always Love You"... they don't even know live staples/semi-hits such as Keep The Faith or Blood On Blood!

Most of these people don't even know any of the band members' names. Jon gets regularly called "Bon" even on the band's official Facebook page (assuming many people still think of JBJ as a solo artist), on new videos shitloads of people still seem to be surprised that Richie isn't there anymore, and so on.

Also, Jon's vocal decline seems to have gone completely unnoticed by most casuals. To this day, all that seems to matter is Jon looking good. Check out the comments on this video:

https://youtu.be/SSjOTfryn2o

That must be one of Jon's worst vocal performances of all time so far and yet people are praising it blindly.

WTF?????
It's mostly the women that haven't noticed what has happened to Jon's voice. Of course, I'm not talking about every female fan, there are some like Becky who are not clueless. Just a week ago I saw a comment somewhere that Jon is still supposedly the best singer out there. Yeah, that applies to 1990-1996 but right now he's terrible. What I'm saying is that most of those that do not notice the obvious are females who go to concerts just to share at his ass and listen to the supposedly "great" singer sing Prayer, Bad Name, IML.
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:46 PM
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It's mostly the women that haven't noticed what has happened to Jon's voice. Of course, I'm not talking about every female fan, there are some like Becky who are not clueless. Just a week ago I saw a comment somewhere that Jon is still supposedly the best singer out there. Yeah, that applies to 1990-1996 but right now he's terrible. What I'm saying is that most of those that do not notice the obvious are females who go to concerts just to share at his ass and listen to the supposedly "great" singer sing Prayer, Bad Name, IML.
Yeah and I don't get the "you don't notice it when you're there" excuse either. Yesterday I met two rather casual fans at a local club concert and they had gone to Madison Square Garden last year as they had been in New York at the time. They stated that Jon's singing was nothing but horrendous.
So it doesn't go unnoticed to the casuals, just the fans are party tone-deaf or have gotten so accustomed to his poor vocals that they don't see it as such a big deal.
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:49 PM
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Yeah and I don't get the "you don't notice it when you're there" excuse either. Yesterday I met two rather casual fans at a local club concert and they had gone to Madison Square Garden last year as they had been in New York at the time. They stated that Jon's singing was nothing but horrendous.
So it doesn't go unnoticed to the casuals, just the fans are party tone-deaf or have gotten so accustomed to his poor vocals that they don't see it as such a big deal.
It doesn't go unnoticed... It's not as noticeable... big difference...

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Old 03-11-2018, 08:04 PM
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What some people seem to not realize is that a word/sentence isn't a note.
"Bed of nails" isn't a note, it's a sentence. Him hitting the long "Bed of nails" at the end of BoR doesn't mean he hit the C5, it's around D4 (As I remember) nowadays which even I can hit (He can still hit A4's, even slightly higher such as short bursts of B4 but don't wanna sustain it to avoid damage or strain.). Slurring words has nothing with vocal cords/damage to do.

Also people need to realize Richie isn't fired or anything.
Comments such as "Bring Richie back!" are seen often.

The people that don't go to a BJ concert just cause Richie isn't there. Are you a fan of Bon Jovi just cause Richie is there?

I hope he moves around the stage as much as he can in 2018 tour (Atleast BWC level before Richie left).

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Old 03-11-2018, 08:52 PM
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Actually this is how In these arms (acoustic) was played in Bahamas 2015, they asked to the fans via e-mail; at the end the song did'nt sound that good >_< but I remember I was so happy because JBJ made the guitar solo >_< haha
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:18 PM
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Jon said in one of his recent interviews that he’s taking vocal lessons every day. He’s obviously aware of whatever his issues are (years of vocal abuse? Nodules? Psychological?) I think it was on Extra.

I hope he is singing in the proper range and not trying to reach notes that were never meant to be achieved nightly for 20-30 years. I mean, have any of you mere mortals tried to sing along with Prayer or Always in the privacy of your car? I actually have to laugh at my inability to even get close to those high notes.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:26 PM
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Jon said in one of his recent interviews that he’s taking vocal lessons every day. He’s obviously aware of whatever his issues are (years of vocal abuse? Nodules? Psychological?) I think it was on Extra.

I hope he is singing in the proper range and not trying to reach notes that were never meant to be achieved nightly for 20-30 years. I mean, have any of you mere mortals tried to sing along with Prayer or Always in the privacy of your car? I actually have to laugh at my inability to even get close to those high notes.
I find Always harder than Prayer, I don't know why. I can only hit the B4-C5 high notes in the first 2 choruses on a good day but the key change is impossible for me.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:50 PM
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I would say his main problem is that his voice is more sensitive.
It's definitely not nodules, polyps or any of those lumps on vocal cords. Otherwise you would notice it, it would very very likely be a voice with little, some or a lot of breathiness in it (Main symptom I remember) and reduced vocal range, cracking, etc and that your voice would be hoarse, etc. I absolutely don't hear any of those in his voice anyways.

His voice is deeper now but it kinda is weird for me how he even sings those songs so easily including Bad Name (For how his voice has deepened). Jon is definitely a rare (Meaning it in a good way) one in my opinion. Including how he even sings Always nowadays. His upper range somehow hasn't really decreased a lot at all.

He definitely shouldn't drink too much wine for vocal reasons.

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Basically lower (Not really deeper if you compare to say 2008.) voice, voice more sensitive (STBI, etc) than before and psychological (Who says you can't go home, slurring, etc basically all songs live nowadays). The 3 reasons of why he is good on a song and horrible on the next one then good again (Compare WDOA 2017 and the verses of LOAP 2017. Rock In Rio 2017 for example)

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Old 03-11-2018, 11:23 PM
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I would say his main problem is that his voice is more sensitive (Kinda the same thing).
It's definitely not nodules, polyps or any of those lumps on vocal cords. Otherwise you would notice it, it would very very likely be a voice with little, some or a lot of breathiness in it (Main symptom I remember) and reduced vocal range, cracking, etc and that your voice would be hoarse, etc. I absolutely don't hear any of those in his voice anyways.

His voice is deeper now but it kinda is weird for me how he even sings those songs so easily including Bad Name (For how his voice has deepened). Jon is definitely a rare (Meaning it in a good way) one in my opinion. Including how he even sings Always nowadays. His upper range somehow hasn't really decreased a lot at all.

He definitely shouldn't drink too much wine for vocal reasons.

Sorry for the wall of text.

Basically lower (Not really deeper if you compare to say 2008.) voice, voice more sensitive (STBI, etc) than before and psychological (Who says you can't go home, slurring, etc basically all songs live nowadays). The 3 reasons of why he is good on a song and horrible on the next one then good again (Compare WDOA 2017 and the verses of LOAP 2017. Rock In Rio 2017 for example)
I agree. Jon clearly still has at least some of his range left, as otherwise he wouldn't be able to hit any of the high notes at all. Check this out:

https://youtu.be/ojtPrsrHFUI (IML, Phoenix 2017)

He hits the A4 on the "I ain't gonna LIVE forever" part every single time, but then always falls flat on the "like Frankie said I DID it my way" note, although it's the same one. How is that possible?

Also, for some strange reason, nowadays Jon seems to sing the higher-pitched/more difficult songs far better than the easier ones. For example, check out this version of Blood On Blood:

https://youtu.be/esgDWd_uc2I

And then this version of Who Says...

https://youtu.be/UEie7wEZejU

I can't help but think of this being mostly a psychological issue.

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Old 03-11-2018, 11:27 PM
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I agree. Jon clearly still has at least some of his range left, as otherwise he wouldn't be able to hit any of the high notes at all. Check this out:

https://youtu.be/ojtPrsrHFUI (IML, Phoenix 2017)

He hits the A4 on the "I ain't gonna LIVE forever" part every single time, but then always falls flat on the "like Frankie said I DID it my way" note, although it's the same one. How is that possible?
Vocal Inconsistency.
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