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Old 03-11-2018, 11:51 PM
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Vocal Inconsistency.
Yes, but the question is: why are his vocals so inconsistent nowadays? I've been wondering this for the past year and still haven't gotten my head around it. It's so f*cking weird.
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Old 03-12-2018, 12:45 AM
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Yes, but the question is: why are his vocals so inconsistent nowadays? I've been wondering this for the past year and still haven't gotten my head around it. It's so f*cking weird.
I really don't know, but he might be so inconsistent there days because he maybe has self doubt. After Stephanie's overdose he might've doubted himself as a parent and that maybe led to his vocals being so inconsistent.
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Old 03-12-2018, 01:08 AM
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His vocal decline started long before that though.
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Old 03-12-2018, 01:27 AM
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If he got rid of all of his psychological problems (Richie leaving, daughter overdose, etc.) and made his self confidence like before (let's say 2010) then his vocal consistency could even be like 2000.

Stage presence would nowadays be more like 2011 (Richie being there and not rehab.) or something due to age.

His voice isn't physically shot at all. IF it was physically shot like that then his talking would very likely be affected too.

If the vocal incosistency was physical it would be more in terms of voice cracks, the ability to hold high notes for an amount of time, etc.
Absolutely nothing with pronunciation, slurring or nasality (he got rid of it of course.).

Jon 2014 - 2017: Mental causes of ruining BTBMB, Who Says and many other songs.

Jon 1987 Slippery: Actual causes. Such as swollen vocal cords causing hoarseness and possibly some breathiness. 1987 is what you call a physically shot voice.

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Sorry Wham, but that's the biggest load of nonsense. the 87 problems were with over use, not resting the voice, not looking after the voice, general weariness from being on the road for so long, the drugs that he was on to keep him going, etc. That's completely different to what happens to a voice with age, and from years of abuse. All these constant excuses of Jon's problem being metal are absolute rubbish. He's in his 50s, overused his voice in the 80s no doubt doing long term damage, playing 3 hour shows, smoking for years...sorry, but that's what happens if you don't look after the tools of your trade...
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Old 03-12-2018, 01:53 PM
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Weird pronunciation of words, etc like how he ruins the pronunciation of "Tommy used to work on the docks" nowadays has nothing with damage to do.

In terms of voice cracks, etc then that might not be fixed.

He can still hit the high note of LYHOM after the solo, it's a G#4 live (A4 in studio version). Even hit A4 live 2017 but for a very short amount of time.

He still has many of the high notes left (Up to atleast B4 today).
Talking voice is no different from singing voice anyways.

A C4 sounds different for women than it does for men (Due to vocal weight).
That's why Jon sounded like he was at a low note like D3 for many people when that D3 actually was a G4 (Beginning of high notes.) in let's say 2013.

Bed Of Roses in Sao Paulo 2017 was that good cause his self confidence went up. (Imagine him talking like if he's singing the beginning verse of BoR.)

Talking about his voice doesn't make any difference anyways of course. Just that it's interesting when talking about Bon Jovi.
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Old 03-12-2018, 02:13 PM
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Yes of course he sounds better when his confidence is up, we all do, but Bed of Roses in San Paulo is still a long way off where he was a few years ago. It still showcases his damaged voice. And how hard it is for him to even get close to where he used to be.

The pronunciation is just what happens when Jon is trying to sing better, I expect it may have been something that his vocal coach has been doing with him, as we know that he has been seeing one. His whole style of singing changed, and the pronunciation came with that. That doesn't just happen over night, that comes with working on your style of singing.

Singing and talking are completely different things. Just because your stalking voice doesn't change it doesn't mean that your singing voice doesn't.

Hitting a high note every now and then does not mean that he should be able to do it every time. If you strain the voice, it's harder to do it again straight afterwards. Again, it gets harder to do it repeatedly with age...
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Yes it get's harder to hit the high notes if you strain voice too much.
I said at one point his voice is very likely more sensitive than before and will definitely strain it if he sings A4's, etc too much.

He should be able to sing the verses of Bed Of Roses like if he's doing an interview. But that will happen only if he get's rid of those mental stuff such as Richie leaving, etc.
Think of the BoR verses like this: Jon talking in an interview but that the notes are slightly higher in the verses (E3 - C4 as I remember which aren't high notes.) than his notes when talking would be.
In Sao Paulo he actually successfully hit the correct note for "Bed of nails" which is G#4 (Bed Of Roses is downtuned 1 half step live) live and in studio it's A4.

Jon has been very lucky to not get nodules and/or polyps for the way he has sung and also how long he has sung.
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Old 03-12-2018, 04:05 PM
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He should be able to sing the verses of Bed Of Roses like if he's doing an interview. But that will happen only if he get's rid of those mental stuff such as Richie leaving, etc.
Singing Bed Of Roses is nothing like talking in an interview. Everyone can talk in an interview. Not everyone can sing Bed Of Roses....

If Richie ever comes back I wonder what you guys will claim to be the reason his voice is still terrible then!?
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Singing Bed Of Roses is nothing like talking in an interview. Everyone can talk in an interview. Not everyone can sing Bed Of Roses....

If Richie ever comes back I wonder what you guys will claim to be the reason his voice is still terrible then!?
Yup, that excuse made sense in 2013 H2. But he only got worse since.
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