Facts & Figures summarising 2007 LH tour- Analysis

zero_zero_UFO · #41 12-30-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

EDIT: Just to expand on my thoughts, I'm not saying I'm, as you would say "ignoring the obvious". This isn't really me taking what I can get. I don't think the band is all that bad this tour. Have they been better? Probably. Was I there to see them better? Nope. I wouldn't say they're better than last tour but their leagues above how I saw them on the Bounce tour. Kathleen is completely right, Richie's playing is miles better now that he's not drinking (as much...? I dont know if he's stopped completely). His playing has very much improved. Your opinion is based on one single show this tour. Others have seen many many shows and the reviews haven't been all that bad from the fans on this board.

well said.

i mean its easy to criticise from watching grainy youtube footage someone took on their mobile phone, but when you are there are you going to care about the odd wobble in jon's voice? i don't go to analyse their every move, i go to have a good time, and most of the time i get what i want

hell i was at the gig at manchester where jon did the solo for 'i'd die for you' it was terrible! but i had no clue at the time, i was lost in the moment thinking that it was amazing! hon doing the solo! i was fully surprised from watching that clip! lol

Captain_jovi · #42 12-30-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by zero_zero_UFO

well said.

i mean its easy to criticise from watching grainy youtube footage someone took on their mobile phone, but when you are there are you going to care about the odd wobble in jon's voice? i don't go to analyse their every move, i go to have a good time, and most of the time i get what i want

hell i was at the gig at manchester where jon did the solo for 'i'd die for you' it was terrible! but i had no clue at the time, i was lost in the moment thinking that it was amazing! hon doing the solo! i was fully surprised from watching that clip! lol

I've NEVER walked out of a Jovi show dissapointed. I mean sure there's been times where I've thought "hm, Jon wasn't feeling it tonight" or "it'd of been cool to hear song X" but all this talk of the band not pleasing the fans, Jon's voice sounding like absolute shit, give me a break. It's only rock and roll. I'm not going to pay that much for a ticket if I'm going to pick EVERYTHING apart.

Supersonic · #43 12-31-2007, 12:18 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by zero_zero_UFO

well said.

i mean its easy to criticise from watching grainy youtube footage someone took on their mobile phone, but when you are there are you going to care about the odd wobble in jon's voice? i don't go to analyse their every move, i go to have a good time, and most of the time i get what i want

hell i was at the gig at manchester where jon did the solo for 'i'd die for you' it was terrible! but i had no clue at the time, i was lost in the moment thinking that it was amazing! hon doing the solo! i was fully surprised from watching that clip! lol

Just because you don't hear it doesn't mean someone else doesn't either. It's not a matter of analyzing, it's a matter of listening to what you're hearing. Fine, you're getting lost in the moment, but still, there are fans and people that actually listen to how this band performs instead of being amazed at Jon doing a guitar solo and not caring at what it sounds like.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

zero_zero_UFO · #44 12-31-2007, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

Just because you don't hear it doesn't mean someone else doesn't either. It's not a matter of analyzing, it's a matter of listening to what you're hearing. Fine, you're getting lost in the moment, but still, there are fans and people that actually listen to how this band performs instead of being amazed at Jon doing a guitar solo and not caring at what it sounds like.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

true. i mean i am not a musical person can't play any instruments or anything. so i guess i have an untrained ear too so i am not going to pick this stuff up...

jesyjames · #45 12-31-2007, 05:23 AM

A) I do notice how Jon Sounds
B) I've been enough sampling of shows to know how it sounds in comparison to other shows
C) When he sounds bad, it bugs me.

That said, any even more important element to the show than how Jon sounds, or even what songs are played, is whether or not Jon actually shows up. The difference between a Jon that is into it, and a Jon that is wondering if the Soul won is the difference between an amazing show and a show that was just ok. The US closing show in Vegas for the Have a Nice Day Tour was incredible.. and it was all because you got this feeling that you were apart of something special. There was a sense on spontaneity to the show, there was this attitude from Jon that he was going to give you the best concert of your life, and you had no choice in the matter. I think any fan of the band that's been around long enough can figure out when Jon's mentally into it and when he's not. It's obvious. And the difference is staggering. This is something that can still be achieved even if Jon can't sing the high parts in "In These Arms."

In a related note, I remember reading something Bono said where the only way he can hit the tough notes is if he is 100 percent into the song, otherwise they don't happen. I wonder if Jon were more "into" the songs, if that wouldn't at least help a bit. I don't think it's fair to compare the two, as from my perspective Jon always had a very good voice, where as I think Bono's is flat out amazing at times- a bit more operatic flare I guess.

What worries me most about his vocals lately is there is such a lack of emotion because of the lack of range, the down tuning of the chorus in "Radio Saved My Life Tonight" being an obvious example. It changes that song from being a fairly good song, too... blah. I wonder sometimes if the old Jon were to sing today's songs if we'd all be a bit more excited about them. Conversely, If Jon were recording "Living in Sin" today would anyone be excited to hear it live? Probably not.. a lot of the magic came from the power in the vocal delivery. The song itself would still be good, but the magic of the song wouldn't be so obvious.

kingboul · #46 01-01-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jesyjames

a lot of the magic came from the power in the vocal delivery. The song itself would still be good, but the magic of the song wouldn't be so obvious.

That exactly the point, well said !
Bon Jovi's show are still OK, but the magic is not there quite a lot these days...

zero_zero_UFO · #47 01-01-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jesyjames

A) I do notice how Jon Sounds
B) I've been enough sampling of shows to know how it sounds in comparison to other shows
C) When he sounds bad, it bugs me.

That said, any even more important element to the show than how Jon sounds, or even what songs are played, is whether or not Jon actually shows up. The difference between a Jon that is into it, and a Jon that is wondering if the Soul won is the difference between an amazing show and a show that was just ok. The US closing show in Vegas for the Have a Nice Day Tour was incredible.. and it was all because you got this feeling that you were apart of something special. There was a sense on spontaneity to the show, there was this attitude from Jon that he was going to give you the best concert of your life, and you had no choice in the matter. I think any fan of the band that's been around long enough can figure out when Jon's mentally into it and when he's not. It's obvious. And the difference is staggering. This is something that can still be achieved even if Jon can't sing the high parts in "In These Arms."

In a related note, I remember reading something Bono said where the only way he can hit the tough notes is if he is 100 percent into the song, otherwise they don't happen. I wonder if Jon were more "into" the songs, if that wouldn't at least help a bit. I don't think it's fair to compare the two, as from my perspective Jon always had a very good voice, where as I think Bono's is flat out amazing at times- a bit more operatic flare I guess.

What worries me most about his vocals lately is there is such a lack of emotion because of the lack of range, the down tuning of the chorus in "Radio Saved My Life Tonight" being an obvious example. It changes that song from being a fairly good song, too... blah. I wonder sometimes if the old Jon were to sing today's songs if we'd all be a bit more excited about them. Conversely, If Jon were recording "Living in Sin" today would anyone be excited to hear it live? Probably not.. a lot of the magic came from the power in the vocal delivery. The song itself would still be good, but the magic of the song wouldn't be so obvious.

perhaps thats it then. i have only seen them live since 2003. i can't compare to the good old days because i wan't there...............and i don't believe you can experience it from a dvd/YT

BoNJoViAlWaYs · #48 06-14-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

It's really hard to make such a list. Jon can't even sing Born To Be My Baby and/or Bad Name properly anymore, but has changed the melody so much over the years that it sounds decent to us because we got used to it, but when comparing the verses from 2006 recordings to the verses from recordings from 1993 the 2006 versions sound really shit. Yet, everybody will say Jon can still sing those songs.

Jon struggled with Have A Nice Day the first time he sung it live, which was 5 months or so after it was recorded, but he has never delivered a vocal for the song that sounds as powerful as the studio version, yet everybody will say Jon can sing the song live.

What I'm saying is that Jon can't sing the classics properly anymore, so a rare song would sound alright, but there's simply no song that has stunning vocals, or vocals that at least would be as good as the studio versions. Yes, they could do a song live, I could write out a list for you, but yet, nothing on that list would be sung and performed like it should be, unless they start tuning them down like they did with In These Arms (which still sounds shit though.)

Therefore, a rare gem like Homebound Train could be sung by Jon, but he'd skip the train sounds (which he did in 2001). Jon can do Dry County, but he sounds flat in the choruses. Jon can do Something To Believe In, but will butcher the choruses. We got used to it because we've heard so many live versions over the years, but in the end he's not really singing the same melody lines like he did 10 years ago. Simply because he can't, and anyone saying that "Jon sounds really good this tour" is just talking crap. Jon sounds better this tour than the Bounce Tour, but that tour was the first on which he started to lose his voice again, so that tour isn't that hard to beat anway. Jon sounds shit, and there's no way that his voice is coming back.
Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Hi Seb,

I don't post on this site anymore due to the constant negativity people used to express early on during the tour. However, I do come on this site to read posts and I mainly look forward to YOUR posts. I'm only going to comment on what I've read from you and this is in no way a reflection of the person you are because I don't know you personally, and as far as I'm concerned, you might be the nicest bloke on the planet. Yes, I can acknowlege that you were pretty damn mean and harsh towards the band. At one point, I questioned why you were even a so called fan and why you bothered comming on this site. I know now that deep down, you love the band and thats what keeps you going. I read your reviews of the European shows you went to.

Anyway, to make this short, I would like to ask you, HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG?????

These are some of the things you said previously:
1) Jon sounds shit and there is no way his voice is coming back
2) He would never be able to do the original of always and bed of roses
3) He doesn't change the setlist around to include songs from these days
4) He would never sing Stick to your guns again live

And theres prob many more, but I can't remember. Anyway, here are the answers to the above:

1) From what I remember reading in your review, you said Jon sounded spectacular during the Frankfurt show, especially during Damned and BOG (Best since 1995-1996).
2) Is singing them in Europe regularly now (and you stated that when you watched Rock in Rio, the vocals in Always were absolutely stunning)
3) Has been singing Hey God again, Damned, Diamond Ring, These Days
4) Sung in Amsterdam 2008

You know what, I'm as shocked as you. I can't believe the above. I'm so happy they are doing it. It's awesome, and I guess you were lucky to witness most of those songs live.

I guess the band has made a point and they have definetly proven not only you but alot of people wrong. I don't think you can make any more criticisms (consider it a good thing). They are as strong as ever and Jon's vocals are the best since these days tour.

I'd just thought I'd bring this up considering alot can happen in a few months. I think you are a great fan (esp when you don't make too many harsh and negative comments). They come back to get you :P. But I admire your website, which is awesome.

Don't take the above too personally. It's a Jovi thing and I'd thought I'd get your reaction considering you're viewpoints a few months back have been proven wrong.

Keep the faith,

milomom · #49 06-14-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BoNJoViAlWaYs

Hi Seb,

I don't post on this site anymore due to the constant negativity people used to express early on during the tour. However, I do come on this site to read posts and I mainly look forward to YOUR posts. I'm only going to comment on what I've read from you and this is in no way a reflection of the person you are because I don't know you personally, and as far as I'm concerned, you might be the nicest bloke on the planet. Yes, I can acknowlege that you were pretty damn mean and harsh towards the band. At one point, I questioned why you were even a so called fan and why you bothered comming on this site. I know now that deep down, you love the band and thats what keeps you going. I read your reviews of the European shows you went to.

Anyway, to make this short, I would like to ask you, HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG?????

These are some of the things you said previously:
1) Jon sounds shit and there is no way his voice is coming back
2) He would never be able to do the original of always and bed of roses
3) He doesn't change the setlist around to include songs from these days
4) He would never sing Stick to your guns again live

And theres prob many more, but I can't remember. Anyway, here are the answers to the above:

1) From what I remember reading in your review, you said Jon sounded spectacular during the Frankfurt show, especially during Damned and BOG (Best since 1995-1996).
2) Is singing them in Europe regularly now (and you stated that when you watched Rock in Rio, the vocals in Always were absolutely stunning)
3) Has been singing Hey God again, Damned, Diamond Ring, These Days
4) Sung in Amsterdam 2008

You know what, I'm as shocked as you. I can't believe the above. I'm so happy they are doing it. It's awesome, and I guess you were lucky to witness most of those songs live.

I guess the band has made a point and they have definetly proven not only you but alot of people wrong. I don't think you can make any more criticisms (consider it a good thing). They are as strong as ever and Jon's vocals are the best since these days tour.

I'd just thought I'd bring this up considering alot can happen in a few months. I think you are a great fan (esp when you don't make too many harsh and negative comments). They come back to get you :P. But I admire your website, which is awesome.

Don't take the above too personally. It's a Jovi thing and I'd thought I'd get your reaction considering you're viewpoints a few months back have been proven wrong.

Keep the faith,

Have you read Seb's reviews of the shows he's been to?! Have you seen the text messages from him that have been posted to some of the PBPs?! Yes, he was critical of the band early on, but he's definitely been giving them their due since they got to Europe. And yes, there were times when I wanted to choke Seb because he just wouldn't believe us when we said that (even though the setlists here in the U.S. were vanilla) something had changed with Jon's voice and he and the band sounded great. But now when I read Seb raving about Jon's voice or Richie's playing or whatever, I know it must be incredible. Quite honestly, I really don't care who was right or wrong at what point during the tour. I'm just thrilled that Bon Jovi is getting it so very, very RIGHT these days!

(Did I just defend Seb? LOL If anyone was ever capable of defending himself, it's Seb, but I just had to toss in my 2 cents worth.)

Kev · #50 06-14-2008, 05:47 PM

Ooooh, how the tables have tourned. Nice post

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