February 18, 2017 Bridgestone Arena, Nashville

Captain_jovi · #**161** 02-19-2017, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DryCounty

Richie stopped smoking when he's father passed away in lung cancer. I don't know if he smoked much before that or even anything, but he was quite determined that he would never smoke after that.

Btw, is Jon still smoking?

There's promo photos from Crush era of Richie smoking but I have no idea how often or when/if he stopped. His voice definitely took a down turn too. Not as sharp though but for me 2004ish was when I noticed it.

Becky · #**162** 02-19-2017, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi

Eveline, he doesn't.

He's an alcoholic and a drug addict, but he is not a smoker.

There are a lot of pictures of him through the years with cigarettes. He was certainly a smoker before, even if he has quit.

There's also a video of David smoking. I don't remember exactly what the source was. I do remember seeing it though and being floored.

Eveline · #**163** 02-19-2017, 06:00 PM

Nice. Putting so much attention to every detail, yet ruining your work tool. How responsible

JackieBlue · #**164** 02-19-2017, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper

...there's no excuse for mainly standing still singing other parts. His age shouldn't be a huge factor. He's a fit 55...

I agree that age shouldn't be a factor, but I strongly disagree that Jon is fit. Regardless of age, someone who's "fit" wouldn't struggle with breathing like he appears to be doing. I mentioned before that I think there might be a pulmonary or respiratory issue involved. That could create a situation where he's forced to choose between using his breath to move around or using it to sing, because there doesn't seem to be enough for him to do both. It's just a guess, but that's what it looks like to me.

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Originally Posted by hackster73

Maybe if he hadn't smoked like a chimney for the last 20 years and had focused on protecting his most prized gift he would be in better shape.

I never had the impression that Jon "smoked like a chimney". Some of you who followed him more closely might have a better take on that, but it always seemed to me to be a casual habit.

Regardless, if it is a pulmonary condition, neither smoking nor misuse of his voice would necessarily have much to do with it. There are some things you simply can't avoid no matter how hard you try to stay in shape.

I know people who smoke like chimneys and they still sing like birds. I also have a friend who has never touched cigarettes, but she wears an oxygen mask 24/7 because she has COPD.

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Originally Posted by Eveline

As far as I know, Richie smokes too and yet, he can still sing.

IIRC, Richie quit smoking either shortly after his father's diagnosis of cancer or after his death. I'm not sure which was the catalyst; but I seem to remember reading something about it.

That aside, Richie and Jon are two different individuals, so what may affect one may have little or no affect on the other.

I will say this though, and it's just a general observation, not directed at anyone in particular. There's one thing Jon and Richie have in common. They both seem to have an abundant supply of critics who point out every little flaw they see in either of them, and who stand ready to offer suggestions about how they both should be living their lives.

It's not about critiquing their performances or set lists. That's totally different than assuming we know better than they do what their demons are and how they should deal with them.

I'm not trying to offend anyone or shut anybody down. I just think it's a risky proposition to sit in judgment of people, or their behavior, when all we have to go by is the limited information we receive through the internet or other secondary sources.

JMO

ticos_stick · #**165** 02-19-2017, 06:25 PM

Has Jon ever admitted to smoking a lot? I only ever saw him smoke in promo shots. Never in interviews or backstage footage. He's a sensible guy. I can't imagine that he smoked a excessively.

I think his voice problems stem from something else we don't know just yet.

Eveline · #**166** 02-19-2017, 06:30 PM

Good to know! This community seems to have a lot of knowledgeable boarders and it saves me a lot of time and effort to get into the very mysteries of the band

Actually it's pretty rare to see the guys with a cig but then, I've also seen some pics/vids and read some comments suggesting it could be otherwise. Well

Captain_jovi · #**167** 02-19-2017, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue

I will say this though, and it's just a general observation, not directed at anyone in particular. There's one thing Jon and Richie have in common. They both seem to have an abundant supply of critics who point out every little flaw they see in either of them, and who stand ready to offer suggestions about how they both should be living their lives.

It's not about critiquing their performances or set lists. That's totally different than assuming we know better than they do what their demons are and how they should deal with them.

I'm not trying to offend anyone or shut anybody down. I just think it's a risky proposition to sit in judgment of people, or their behavior, when all we have to go by is the limited information we receive through the internet or other secondary sources.

JMO

I don't think what you said was offensive in the slightest. It's dead on. We're trying to figure out how much someone smokes by looking at photos and thinking of interview mentions as if that determines anything. I agree it doesn't always comes down to cigarettes and there are lots of people that sing great even while smoking.

JackieBlue · #**168** 02-19-2017, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eveline

... Actually it's pretty rare to see the guys with a cig but then, I've also seen some pics/vids and read some comments suggesting it could be otherwise. Well

They both smoked in the past. How much or for how long, I don't know. But according to reports, neither of them smoke at present. Richie apparently quit because of his dad and I remember Jon saying he quit so his insurance premiums wouldn't be so high.

Becky · #**169** 02-19-2017, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue

I agree that age shouldn't be a factor, but I strongly disagree that Jon is fit. Regardless of age, someone who's "fit" wouldn't struggle with breathing like he appears to be doing. I mentioned before that I think there might be a pulmonary or respiratory issue involved. That could create a situation where he's forced to choose between using his breath to move around or using it to sing, because there doesn't seem to be enough for him to do both. It's just a guess, but that's what it looks like to me.

I never had the impression that Jon "smoked like a chimney". Some of you who followed him more closely might have a better take on that, but it always seemed to me to be a casual habit.

Regardless, if it is a pulmonary condition, neither smoking nor misuse of his voice would necessarily have much to do with it. There are some things you simply can't avoid no matter how hard you try to stay in shape.

I know people who smoke like chimneys and they still sing like birds. I also have a friend who has never touched cigarettes, but she wears an oxygen mask 24/7 because she has COPD.

IIRC, Richie quit smoking either shortly after his father's diagnosis of cancer or after his death. I'm not sure which was the catalyst; but I seem to remember reading something about it.

That aside, Richie and Jon are two different individuals, so what may affect one may have little or no affect on the other.

I will say this though, and it's just a general observation, not directed at anyone in particular. There's one thing Jon and Richie have in common. They both seem to have an abundant supply of critics who point out every little flaw they see in either of them, and who stand ready to offer suggestions about how they both should be living their lives.

It's not about critiquing their performances or set lists. That's totally different than assuming we know better than they do what their demons are and how they should deal with them.

I'm not trying to offend anyone or shut anybody down. I just think it's a risky proposition to sit in judgment of people, or their behavior, when all we have to go by is the limited information we receive through the internet or other secondary sources.

JMO

Nothing that you said was the least bit offensive.

I've been of the opinion that if smoking was the biggest problem someone who lived a rock star or Hollywood lifestyle picked up, they are doing pretty well.

I doubt any of us could pass the standards that are expected of these guys who have lived in a world we can't even begin to comprehend the reality of. Many people aren't even kind to each other around here and the guys might as well have targets painted on them.

Eveline · #**170** 02-19-2017, 07:11 PM

Well, now the whole discussion boiled down to the newly 'fact' that smoking has nothing/very little to do with damaging the voice? Ah, that must be some sort of contradictory to other scientific findings ;]

http://www.livestrong.com/article/23...cords-smoking/

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