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Old 03-05-2018, 08:58 PM
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I feel bad for 2018 Jon. He truly seems gutted about his voice and I believe he's working his ass off to get to a somewhat decent level. It must be heart-breaking.
I agree it's heartbreaking but I'm not sure his expectations regarding his voice are as high as ours. I believe he said he could sing that well every night. So to me that tells me he wants to be on the level he was in Vegas.

About his other business ventures. I see it as helping his family. Nothing wrong with that. The wine thing is kind of funny. The big business idea Jesse had was to sell wine? Wow, groundbreaking stuff, man. The kid is like 20 something and that's the most original thing he can come up with? I think Jon supports it so he can spend time with him and that's great but I doubt it will be a big success. He's made enough money so that several generations don't have to do any work.
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Old 03-05-2018, 09:01 PM
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Wow, you really hate the guy eh?
I dont hate Jon hate is a very strong feeling. I think Jon is a narcissis who manly does things to serve his ego. 'chip on your shoulder' means you have a 'inferiority' complex which is there because you never learnt to love yourself in a healthy way. I doubt he is truly able to do anything that is pure because he needs the approval.
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Old 03-05-2018, 09:10 PM
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Just ignore it. These kind of fans always follow the same structure: Having been a diehard where the band could do no wrong for years and all of a sudden everything's bad and shit. We've had a couple of those on German message boards in the last decade. Every now and then these users enter topics again to repeat the same stuff over and over instead of moving on.
Jon's been business-orientated ever since Crush, some people were just too blind to realize it back then.
And he's coming across a lot more sincere in the last 2 years than he did in his rather arrogant period in the early 2000's.
I never had a time were Jovi could have done no wrong. Of course Jon was always interested in hitting the mainstream. He was constantly in the German media and always pushing it. BUT there is a difference the Jon who played a concert in 2003 in Kiel or a Jon playing an acoustic gig with SJ, Richie and Bobby in 2001 on viva and a Jon doing the runaway tours thing nowadays. There is a big difference for me. Jon is way to 'abgeklärt' and even when he appears genuine I cannot stop thinking it is still calculated and there to be liked and to look good
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Old 03-05-2018, 09:37 PM
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Faith1985 are you the one who did some work at Jon's restaurant?
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For the record, neither Jon’s face nor his name are anywhere on the wine label. His son is young and set for life. He could literally just live on easy street for the rest of his life, but he’s actually trying to make something in business. The entire first production of the wine is sold out—without Bon Jovi anywhere on the label. Why would anyone take issue with a successful businessman helping his own son leap into the business world? Why take issue with Jon helping his own father launch a business? The sauce has a percentage of proceeds going to Jon’s foundation to feed the hungry and house the homeless. Damn, what evil motives!

People like Jon bring to light the issues like food insecurity, hunger in the wealthiest nation on earth, homelessness... In this society it sometimes takes celebrities to make common people aware, as ridiculous as that is and as badly as it reflects on the general knowledge of the common man.

He’s using a position he’s earned to help others. The man has a kind and compassionate heart. He might also have a charmed life, but maybe Karma is real and he deserves it.

I feel the need to add that Bon Jovi tickets are FAR from the most expensive. I looked into seeing the Eagles and a seat with a bad viewpoint was like $375 before Ticketmaster adds its $70 or so per ticket. I’ve seen Tim McGraw tickets for over $500 and he’s not even in the same league as Bon Jovi or the Eagles. Elton John isn’t exactly playing for free either.
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Faith1985 are you the one who did some work at Jon's restaurant?
Seem to have some memory where this person approached Jon's dad about a business idea or some such thing at the Soul Kitchen and Jon's dad didn't respond the way hope for- been bitter ever since. Might be a different jaded fan, but pretty sure it's this one. The grudge is strong.
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She has a point though. Not about everything, and I do believe some of Jon's motives are honest, but he seems somewhat insecure, is lying to us or himself (I think it's himself, actually) about not trying to be trendy and copying other artists, etc. I cannot even stand to hear that kind of stuff anymore, as I know it's simply not true. Or take his comment about being more able than ever to perform. I don't know whether to laugh or cry or if he honestly believes that, but I fear he does...

That aside, I enjoy the new songs, look forward to seeing them next year and hope they/he still have at least some albums in them/him. And I honestly like the guy, I just wish he'd be more honest to himself and/or us...
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Seem to have some memory where this person approached Jon's dad about a business idea or some such thing at the Soul Kitchen and Jon's dad didn't respond the way hope for- been bitter ever since. Might be a different jaded fan, but pretty sure it's this one. The grudge is strong.
No I did not approach Jon's dad. The manager Lou talked to my while I was there for lunch and among his few sentences was 1. I am best buddy with Jon and 2. Pail Mccartney gave me his jacket and 3. you can say I am everybody's boss here. Lou and Jon's dad asked me if we have a walmat to sell his sauce Later my 'friend' from there told me she had to delete everybody who listens to Bon Jovi on facebook as ordered by the prsident of the Soul foundation. A week later Jon asked his fans to 'help him to defeat hunger by giving money to his 2. SK. Tell me again how to take anything they do seriously when it is about showing how great you are and so on.

this is typical for the American culture: blowing stuff out of proportion and being business-oriented. I am not complaining about this fact. I am complaining about using chaity mostly for your own benefit --> getting awards for doing some good and being concentrated on making it a business is turning good intentions into doing soemthing for your ego and in the end to say how great you are and how successful you are....

There were many occasions where Jon said he does charity to make himself feel good and as a reason to get up in the morning so he does it mainly for himself.
I have made a friend at another charity that is there for helping poor people and she is the opposite of what I have experienced at the Soul Kitchen. There you know it is for poor pople but not for showing off by doing some charity. It is like day and night.

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faith1985 hates Jon because she had a “bad” experience with someone who works for him. Jon is a glory hog because he uses his name to get a charitable message out to people who are otherwise oblivious.

By her standards, Jerry Lewis must have been one evil bastard, naming a telethon after himself, calling sick kids Jerry’s kids, and taking up 24 hours on TV every year to show off his talent and connections. I guess he should have just let all those sick kids die and Jon should just let people be hungry and homeless because he gets too much credit for his efforts.

The family that couldn’t afford a meal and ate at Soul Kitchen last night probably have a different perspective.
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faith1985 hates Jon because she had a “bad” experience with someone who works for him. Jon is a glory hog because he uses his name to get a charitable message out to people who are otherwise oblivious.

By her standards, Jerry Lewis must have been one evil bastard, naming a telethon after himself, calling sick kids Jerry’s kids, and taking up 24 hours on TV every year to show off his talent and connections. I guess he should have just let all those sick kids die and Jon should just let people be hungry and homeless because he gets too much credit for his efforts.

The family that couldn’t afford a meal and ate at Soul Kitchen last night probably have a different perspective.
No, I dont hate Jon. Hatred is something that controls you deep inside. If Jon doing charity would be a problem for me I had never visited it. I do, however have a problem with famous people pretending their work is going to save the world while they do it to get something out of it Just because someone does something mainly for himself doesn't mean something good can emerge out of it. I know that there are people who are in need of food and support because the system failed them and I am not having a problem with a person doing charity. I just dont get why - especially when you do charity - it has to be another opportunity to boost your ego. Why? There was a video where Jon was talking for half an hour about what a great concept they had created and how great he is. Well newsflesh - the soul kitchen is not the first place that doesn't have any prices on the menu and it is also not the first place that offers additional events and so on.

I just cannot stand people who pat themselves on the back and need the constant admiration and attention because they have done a nice thing (especially not if you save taxes on other occasions and charge a shitload of money for medicore shows).
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