February 26, 2018 - Hard Rock Hotel Vegas (JBJ Solo)

Walleris · #**131** 03-06-2018, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky

I certainly don’t think he’s an angel. But he is certainly not the evil, manipulative, greedy, abusive, power hungry dictator than some folks around here make him out to be either. Someone has to present the other side of the coin, and if that’s me, so be it. Every time Rosa (or anyone else) says something positive about Jon people treat her like she’s an idiot. I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m an idiot because the feeling is probably mutual. 😆

Extreme positions usually suck. Rosa gets treated the way she gets treated because she's pretty much the same as faith1985, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Supersonic · #**132** 03-06-2018, 10:10 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Walleris

If we use your example, Jon keeps 3,750,000 to himself instead of 5,000,000 he would if he didn't do the write-off. He still ends up spending a large chunk off his own pocket. Does he not deserve get credit for that, even if the faulty US tax system is a major assistance?

Yeah, that's one way to look at it. I see it differently though: In order to keep 3.750.000 he has to spend 5.000.000 first. Would he not spend the 5.000.000 he'd get to keep none of it.

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Originally Posted by Walleris

I also get the whole "doing charity for image" angle, but his work is much lower-profile from a publicity standpoint than some of his peers (e.g. Bono, Beyonce, Taylor Swift just to name a few) and is directly related to local community.

I'm not sure. I know Bono's charity stuff mostly because he loves talking talking to presidents and popes and refuses to leave it out of the live shows. I've no idea what Beyonce and Taylor Swift do, it all depends on as to whether how much you follow certain artists.

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Originally Posted by Walleris

I believe from being a die-hard fan for 10 years that his track record is one of a genuinely good dude overall. But in the end, nobody knows for sure.

I don't think Jon's evil either. I do think he's a twat for shitting on his fans the way he's done the last 10 years and at the same time gets so much credit for being such a saint. I'm sure he enjoys granting little wishes like seeing that kid with leukemia. The way I see it is he gets to be such a saint is because I bought so many tickets.

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa

Since I am a U.S. tax CPA, I want to clarify just one little detail. If you have a private foundation and you are considered a "disqualified person" defined as a trustee, director, manager or officer, you cannot take a charitable contribution deduction on your own personal tax return for any monies given to the private foundation. That would be a violation of the IRS self dealing rules. So, although Jon gets to take tax deductions for other charitable donations he can't take them for his own foundation.

Thanks, this gives a little bit more insight. The foundation does several projects together though, technically Jon's still capable of donation money to Habitat for Humanity under the promise Habitat for Humanity sponsors one of the projects from the Soul Foundation.

But meh, you're right. This is getting all a bit too technical and who gives a shit really as to how he spends his money. What bothers me isn't as to whether he deducts it or not. It's how he's portrayed as a saint while at the same time charges 1.000 dollars on a lawn ticket. I'm very much aware he's not the only one, but he used to be one of the guys who didn't charge enormous amounts of money when playing the big venues. In the end greed got to him too, which leaves me a bit bitter, I guess.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

bjcrazycpa · #**133** 03-06-2018, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

, this gives a little bit more insight. The foundation does several projects together though, technically Jon's still capable of donation money to Habitat for Humanity under the promise Habitat for Humanity sponsors one of the projects from the Soul Foundation.

But meh, you're right. This is getting all a bit too technical and who gives a shit really as to how he spends his money. What bothers me isn't as to whether he deducts it or not. It's how he's portrayed as a saint while at the same time charges 1.000 dollars on a lawn ticket. I'm very much aware he's not the only one, but he used to be one of the guys who didn't charge enormous amounts of money when playing the big venues. In the end greed got to him too, which leaves me a bit bitter, I guess.

Salaam Aleikum,

Sebastiaan

No problem. Happy to help and I do get the bitterness over the exorbitant ticket prices!!

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MarcDLV · #**134** 03-06-2018, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by faith1985

Of course I am serious. Tell me one thing Jon has done without having an agenda / anything that doesn't benefit him. Do you want to tell me that 1500 bucks for a concert for a few bored and obsessed fans is normal? If he'd care about bringimg his music (his art he keeps talking about) to the people who have been buying his music for 30 years, he would give normal fab club concerts. Some meet and greets and so on. Tell me one reason apart from cashing in behind his actions

He uses his name to market
1. his charity
2. his clothes
3. his wine
4. his dad's sauce

And the people who buy it are mostly fans and even they are annoyed by the overpriced items.

Tell me one event within the last 5 years apart from the promo shows (where you had to give your data to tidal so it wasnt only to do something for the fans) where Jon has done ANYTHING that was for his fans. Everything he does has money in mind.

As a comparison:

Ryan Adams posted live footage from the studio and shared his music + on valentines day he gave away a song for his subscibers. You hear Jon's new besties - Phil and John Shanks - do some short clip and it sounds crap and staged / overproduced. You hear a real artist like Ryan Adams being in his elemnt and living his nerdy way of creating stuff und you are hooked right away.

Please shut the hell up!

Becky · #**135** 03-07-2018, 12:57 AM

If anyone is really all that interested in the Soul Foundation’s financials, they are posted on the website for any and all to see. Far more transparency than many other charities.

Captain_jovi · #**136** 03-07-2018, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MarcDLV

Please shut the hell up!

Please don't insult board members. You don't have to agree but that's incredibly rude.

Tom_K · #**137** 03-07-2018, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Walleris

I crap on the guy's voice and decisions to still keep touring on a regular basis. And he can surely be a dick sometimes, on and off the stage. And while he's no perfect angel Becky portrays him to be, I believe from being a die-hard fan for 10 years that his track record is one of a genuinely good dude overall. But in the end, nobody knows for sure.

That sums it up perfectly for me.

Becky · #**138** 03-07-2018, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Walleris

Extreme positions usually suck. Rosa gets treated the way she gets treated because she's pretty much the same as faith1985, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

The way she’s treated is not warranted because she gets jumped on for everything she says. I would compare the people responding to her to a pack of dogs or bullies. There’s really nothing wrong with being an actual fan of the subject of the fan board you are commenting on. Her positivity is no less valid of an OPINION than someone else’s negativity. You know what they say about opinions.

bonjovi90 · #**139** 03-07-2018, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky

The way she’s treated is not warranted because she gets jumped on for everything she says. I would compare the people responding to her to a pack of dogs or bullies. There’s really nothing wrong with being an actual fan of the subject of the fan board you are commenting on. Her positivity is no less valid of an OPINION than someone else’s negativity. You know what they say about opinions.

To be fair though, I've never seen her participating in any real discussion or topic around here. She only appears to moan when Jon gets criticized whereas others actually contribute something to discussions (and, all the bitching aside, there are always some quite interesting ones). And if someone comes out of nowhere to bash others for being so rude to say somthing against Jon on his birthday - then the reactions are kind of self-inflicted.

Walleris · #**140** 03-08-2018, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90

To be fair though, I've never seen her participating in any real discussion or topic around here. She only appears to moan when Jon gets criticized whereas others actually contribute something to discussions (and, all the bitching aside, there are always some quite interesting ones). And if someone comes out of nowhere to bash others for being so rude to say somthing against Jon on his birthday - then the reactions are kind of self-inflicted.

Indeed.

She once called me a dick out out of nowhere because I trashed Jon's vocals after some performance. It's her attitude that was the problem, not the opinion. There are a couple of other fans here that are not very hard to please and good for them - I don't see them being attacked for that when they say they enjoy a song or a performance.

Like I said, faith1985, is a similar case on an opposing end of the spectrum and as this thread showed, got a similar treatment as rosa. I once said this somewhere else, the economics of a forum usually decide what is common sense and what isn't.

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