Feelings about the tour...

Becky · #11 01-08-2006, 07:27 PM

Or maybe Jon was making a joke when he said that and had no idea it would be analyzed so much. LOL

rainsong · #12 01-08-2006, 10:11 PM

Couple of things come to mind. First, I really dislike the Springsteen comparisons because to me they are such different artists. Bruce to me has always been a "social commentary" about the vast general state of our society. Seeing Bruce live has always been like going to a really big jam session, you start out somewhere and see where the music takes you today, maybe it's down memeory lane to Glory Days or maybe it's headed down the dark tunnel to Empty Sky. But for me Bruce has never been about individual songs. It's an attitude, a moment in time.

Bon Jovi has always been about personal, individual feelings for me. their commentary on life isn't about the big "society" it's about me. There has been at least one song on every record that could have been me.

Bon jovi live is like nothing else I've ever been to. It's like going to an all inclusive "church" where everyone participates. The whole place is part of the show and Jon is the best I've ever seen at creating that vibe.

For me BJ has progressed and still has plenty to say, I still after all these years connect with them.

I'M_COMPLICATED_2 · #13 01-08-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rainsong

Couple of things come to mind. First, I really dislike the Springsteen comparisons because to me they are such different artists. Bruce to me has always been a "social commentary" about the vast general state of our society. Seeing Bruce live has always been like going to a really big jam session, you start out somewhere and see where the music takes you today, maybe it's down memeory lane to Glory Days or maybe it's headed down the dark tunnel to Empty Sky. But for me Bruce has never been about individual songs. It's an attitude, a moment in time.

Bon Jovi has always been about personal, individual feelings for me. their commentary on life isn't about the big "society" it's about me. There has been at least one song on every record that could have been me.

Bon jovi live is like nothing else I've ever been to. It's like going to an all inclusive "church" where everyone participates. The whole place is part of the show and Jon is the best I've ever seen at creating that vibe.

For me BJ has progressed and still has plenty to say, I still after all these years connect with them.

I like that. Good way to put it.

Becky · #14 01-09-2006, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rainsong

Bon Jovi has always been about personal, individual feelings for me. their commentary on life isn't about the big "society" it's about me. There has been at least one song on every record that could have been me.

Bon jovi live is like nothing else I've ever been to. It's like going to an all inclusive "church" where everyone participates. The whole place is part of the show and Jon is the best I've ever seen at creating that vibe.

For me BJ has progressed and still has plenty to say, I still after all these years connect with them.

You know, that does sum things up perfectly. Like you, there's always a song or two that I think tells the story of my life (no pun intended). If I want commentary on the world, I can watch the news. If I want music to hit me on a personal level, Bon Jovi always comes through.

bjcrazycpa · #15 01-09-2006, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky

You know, that does sum things up perfectly. Like you, there's always a song or two that I think tells the story of my life (no pun intended). If I want commentary on the world, I can watch the news. If I want music to hit me on a personal level, Bon Jovi always comes through.

Excellent way to put it ladies.

deb

rainsong · #16 01-09-2006, 02:07 AM

Thank you ladies. I was worried when I wrote this that I wasn't explaining myself very well.

lisaluvsjovi · #17 01-11-2006, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa

For me the show is more than just the set list. It's the crowd, it's how the guys are on stage (meaning how they are sounding and interact with each other and the crowd), it's the atmosphere of the venue itself that all contribute to a great show.

I agree! There is so much more to the shows than the setlists. I went to MSG and CAA and I can say they switched it up by about 6 songs which is more than I've seen them do in the past. It's funny how even where you're seated can affect your perception of the show. At MSG I was towards the back lower level dead center. At CAA I was lower level much closer to the stage. At MSG I took more of the stage and effects in than at CAA, at CAA I was more focused on the band, and less on the lights and video screens. Also the crowd at MSG was nuts! Loudest audience I've ever been in I think. The audience at CAA was a little more mellow (though not much!) At CAA I was surprised by KTF and I Wish Everyday could be Like Christmas. Anyway, each show is different for me in many aspects so I never get bored. Yeah there are a couple of songs I hear and I'm like oh no not again (I Got the Girl) but all in all I walk out feeling very positive about the shows, and anxious for the next one.

Paul UK · #18 01-12-2006, 01:48 AM

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Now I appreciate I only have 6 posts to my name here and I have no doubt this will have been discussed before (plenty of times) but I was wondering what people are thinking of the tour and, I guess, the band in general. Let me explain why I ask...

I've been a fan for over 10 years and been to most of the London shows in that period but I'm just not excited by the band anymore. At all. I haven't even got myself tickets for Wembley this time around because I just don't want to hear the guys play the same songs in the same fashion as they have been doing for over 15 years. Now, I know it is being mixed up a bit in terms of how some of the songs are being presented but, in my opinion, it really isn't enough on a few levels.

Firstly, the rotation of songs is really poor. Look at the last four tours. The songs on the setlists are very similar, which is forgiveable for a new band but not one that is 20 years in with 9 studio albums behind them. Is it really so difficult to brush off the cobwebs and play some of the rarer stuff from time to time. I think it is kind of lazy to have played so many of the same songs time and time again. Look at Springsteen: the guy plays around 150 different songs on each tour. Recently, he played tracks that he has never played live before or last played 30 years ago. That is rewarding the fans who go to see him over and over. And he doesn't play all the classics either so really allows for variety: Born to Run and Thunder Road were only played once each on the last tour for example. Do Bon Jovi do the same? I'm not saying drop all the "Greatest Hits", just mix it up a bit. Plenty of good songs on These Days that could see the light of day! Again, I'm thinking back over the last 4 tours here and thinking about them as a whole rather than just making a statement about the HAND tour... I can only speak for me but I want to go to concerts where I think there might be one or two surprises along the way.

Secondly, if it really is necessary to play so many of the same songs then I really think it shouldn't be too much to ask for a bit of variety in how they are played. Shout seems to have fallen off the end of Bad Medicine at last but I think we are still doing the acapella at the start of LOAP and Bad Name still appears to get the same treatment it has for the last 15 years. There is nothing wrong with that necessarily but it just feels really stale. That is what it felt like for me when I last saw them at Hyde Park. I'm not talking about giving everything the TLFR treatment but, maybe, just play it straight. Just something we haven't all seen a billion times before. Now, I am sure it remains great if you've only seem them once or twice but I just feel the band could give a little bit more in this regard.

I know this is very negative but I just watched the broadcast from Amsterdam late last year and it just didn't do anything for me. At all. And I just felt really disappointed that a band I used to really like seem to have got a bit "lazy". Even with the issues surrounding Jon's voice, which are of his own making I should add, I just think we should expect more.

But just my opinion... so flame away.

I read that post and it felt like i'd written it myself. I went all four of the Uk shows on the bounce tour and the variation of setlist was extremely minimal. I was able to predict after the 2nd show the exact setlist and the order in which the songs were played. You would like to think that as the band were playing that many shows in such a small country that there was bound to be 1000's of people who would be travelling to multilple shows. The gigs were still enjoyable, although the spark/spontenaity tends to be missing when you knows whats going to happen before it happens.

It seems such a shame that although the same songs are being played every single night without fail (and many of them have been for 19 years now, when were the last times Bad Name, Prayer and Wanted were left off the setlist) theystill havent offered any 'new' ways of interpreting them.. a mad drum solo in the middle of prayer just for the sake of it.

Things just dont seem fresh anymore. Although I am going to see three of the Uk shows this summer I'm not looking forward to it as I once would have. The atmosphere of a gig is great and I do enjoy meself when I'm there but I dont see how difficult it would be to musically vary the older 'must haves' and to also introduce some MAJOR rarities - Secret Dreams, Fear, Social Disease.

Its great that the newbies can come and really enjoy it and to have people convert from a 'they're ok' to a 'wow, that was great' fan, but I think there are more than enough Die Hards and plenty of So-So fans to warrant a change in the complacent attitude from the band. They are professional musicians who shouldn't find it the least bit difficult to play a rare song or vary an old favourite.

rainsong · #19 01-12-2006, 02:12 AM

And yet when they do change up the old classics and do the newer versions of a couple of ballads, all you read is whining about "why can't they do the originals?"

RyanBounce04 · #20 01-12-2006, 02:39 AM

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And yet when they do change up the old classics and do the newer versions of a couple of ballads, all you read is whining about "why can't they do the originals?"

Exactley, those fans are going to keep complaining because the band performs what they want. Occasionally they'll fill a request but when it comes down to the band trying to make someone happy, they are trying to satisfy themselves.

Ryan

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