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letitrock · #11 06-10-2003, 03:54 PM

yeh Jovian... i've seen the benefit of the FC arrangements and when they work they are great. However, the fact that they've advertised that the UK is gold standing and that the pits are anywhere between 4-12000 + means to me, that "the list" will not work... it's a shame really, and for once i do agree with you that it's a shame the FC can't work for the UK and that we've all had to pay more for tickets

Gold standing = one big scam IMO

Mike · #12 06-10-2003, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by letitrock

yeh Jovian... i've seen the benefit of the FC arrangements and when they work they are great. However, the fact that they've advertised that the UK is gold standing and that the pits are anywhere between 4-12000 + means to me, that "the list" will not work... it's a shame really, and for once i do agree with you that it's a shame the FC can't work for the UK and that we've all had to pay more for tickets

Gold standing = one big scam IMO

But is now gonna work well for me, as I have to go to work

Jovian · #13 06-10-2003, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by letitrock

yeh Jovian... i've seen the benefit of the FC arrangements and when they work they are great. However, the fact that they've advertised that the UK is gold standing and that the pits are anywhere between 4-12000 + means to me, that "the list" will not work... it's a shame really, and for once i do agree with you that it's a shame the FC can't work for the UK and that we've all had to pay more for tickets

Gold standing = one big scam IMO

Why most people on this Board seem to think that there will be no fan club arrangements at all in the UK? Or that the fc arrangements are gonna be screwed and something less than outside the UK because of the Gold Tickets?

Gold Tickets are Gold Tickets, and fan club arrangements are fan club arrangements, they're two completely different things. As far as I can tell -- which of course isn't much since the fan club hasn't announced the UK fc arrangement info yet -- the only way Gold Tickets can affect the fan club arrangements is that it might be that only fan club members with Gold Tickets will be able to enjoy the privileges this time, if the fan club can't find a way to get members with GA tickets into the pit so that the pit capacity won't be exceeded. But I really don't understand all this talk about some 4000-12000 "fan club members" because that just isn't true.

Having Gold Tickets doesn't mean that you would automatically get a fan club wristband and be allowed to enter the venues early -- only fan club members with valid membership cards can do that, period.

If you are a fan club member with Gold Tickets who is not bothered about getting a spot in the first couple of rows, you really don't need to queue up for the fc wristbands and the early entrance, cause Gold Tickets will give you access to the pit anyway. But if you are a member with Gold Tickets and you want to have a spot in the first few rows, then yes, queueing up for a fan club wristband and the early entry might be a good idea. But that's only if you want to be up-front -- if you're happy with being a little further back in the pit, there's no reason to queue for the fc arrangements.

Once again, I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope the fan club would release the UK fc arrangement info soon. It's absolutely killing me right now that we still don't know how the fc arrangements are gonna be handled.

Richard_Galloway · #14 06-10-2003, 08:36 PM

I hope there are not 12,000 Gold Standing Tickets as that will render the pit busier than the likes of the SECC and on a par with Wembley Arena. I do not know much about Gold tickets as this is the first time I have had them for any show but surely we are not talking as much as 25% of the crowd in the gold area. I am sure that it will be around half of that or even less.

Mike · #15 06-10-2003, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by letitrock

[color=orange]Why most people on this Board seem to think that there will be no fan club arrangements at all in the UK? Or that the fc arrangements are gonna be screwed and something less than outside the UK because of the Gold Tickets?

Gold Tickets are Gold Tickets, and fan club arrangements are fan club arrangements, they're two completely different things. As far as I can tell -- which of course isn't much since the fan club hasn't announced the UK fc arrangement info yet -- the only way Gold Tickets can affect the fan club arrangements is that it might be that only fan club members with Gold Tickets will be able to enjoy the privileges this time, if the fan club can't find a way to get members with GA tickets into the pit so that the pit capacity won't be exceeded. But I really don't understand all this talk about some 4000-12000 "fan club members" because that just isn't true.

Having Gold Tickets doesn't mean that you would automatically get a fan club wristband and be allowed to enter the venues early -- only fan club members with valid membership cards can do that, period.

Gold tickets r in operation
Fan Club wristbands aren't.

The promoter (ticket Master) decides how the show is run. In european concerts, the FC have had to rent space for the pit. Even then, FC arrangements have been shoddy, with the fans having to do the work.

In the UK, ticketmaster are using a gold ticket operation. This way they can charge £10 more for about 4000 of their tickets (Wolves) & 12-18,000 (Hyde park). Because of this, for the FC to rent a space would be extremely expensive. & it is the promoter that makes a decision on the Pit, not the Fan Club.

For this reason, it is safe to assume that Gold Standing are the only force in operation; and that FC arrangements are very unlikely.

Sorry Jovian

Mike

Jovian · #16 06-10-2003, 09:48 PM

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Gold tickets r in operation
Fan Club wristbands aren't.

The promoter (ticket Master) decides how the show is run. In european concerts, the FC have had to rent space for the pit. Even then, FC arrangements have been shoddy, with the fans having to do the work.

In the UK, ticketmaster are using a gold ticket operation. This way they can charge £10 more for about 4000 of their tickets (Wolves) & 12-18,000 (Hyde park). Because of this, for the FC to rent a space would be extremely expensive. & it is the promoter that makes a decision on the Pit, not the Fan Club.

For this reason, it is safe to assume that Gold Standing are the only force in operation; and that FC arrangements are very unlikely.

I don't know where you get your "information" from, but as far as I'm concerned, it's complete bullsh*t. At least until Backstage proves me otherwise, either by not announcing any kind of arrangements for the UK or by announcing that there won't be any arrangements at all.

If two people at Ticketmaster Customer Services have told me that there will be some special arrangements for the fan club members, and if all other shows apart from the Italian one (which is a festival) have gotten fan club arrangements, it's gonna take a HELLUVA lot to convince me that there wouldn't be any arrangements in the UK, despite the Gold Ticket system. Gold Tickets and fan club arrangements are NOT mutually exclusive, at least when fan club members have Gold Tickets and would therefore be allowed to enter the pit anyway. With fan club wristbands and the early entry, the same Gold Ticket holders who just happen to be fan club members too are just allowed to enter the venues a bit before the other Gold Ticket holders.

Like I said, I won't believe that there wouldn't be fan club arrangements until I'm there at the Gold Standing queue in Glasgow, with no fc information in sight. And I don't know why you guys are so reluctant to believe the worst just because the fc arrangement info hasn't been posted YET.

Mike · #17 06-10-2003, 09:57 PM

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Gold tickets r in operation
Fan Club wristbands aren't.

The promoter (ticket Master) decides how the show is run. In european concerts, the FC have had to rent space for the pit. Even then, FC arrangements have been shoddy, with the fans having to do the work.

In the UK, ticketmaster are using a gold ticket operation. This way they can charge £10 more for about 4000 of their tickets (Wolves) & 12-18,000 (Hyde park). Because of this, for the FC to rent a space would be extremely expensive. & it is the promoter that makes a decision on the Pit, not the Fan Club.

For this reason, it is safe to assume that Gold Standing are the only force in operation; and that FC arrangements are very unlikely.

I don't know where you get your "information" from, but as far as I'm concerned, it's complete bullsh*t. At least until Backstage proves me otherwise, either by not announcing any kind of arrangements for the UK or by announcing that there won't be any arrangements at all.

If two people at Ticketmaster Customer Services have told me that there will be some special arrangements for the fan club members, and if all other shows apart from the Italian one (which is a festival) have gotten fan club arrangements, it's gonna take a HELLUVA lot to convince me that there wouldn't be any arrangements in the UK, despite the Gold Ticket system. Gold Tickets and fan club arrangements are NOT mutually exclusive, at least when fan club members have Gold Tickets and would therefore be allowed to enter the pit anyway. With fan club wristbands and the early entry, the same Gold Ticket holders who just happen to be fan club members too are just allowed to enter the venues a bit before the other Gold Ticket holders.

Like I said, I won't believe that there wouldn't be fan club arrangements until I'm there at the Gold Standing queue in Glasgow, with no fc information in sight. And I don't know why you guys are so reluctant to believe the worst just because the fc arrangement info hasn't been posted YET.

It sounds like u r speculating. As it stood 1 week ago (day before Amsterdam show) there were NO fc arrangements & what I told u above, about how the FC acquires the pit is true. As in America - it is the venues that decide. Hence why, without FC fan members doing all the arrangements at Ostend - the GA ppl would have been let in first!! They r trying to work something out, so there is still a chance, but I can't see it working out as things could get messy with the Gold Tickets being advertised as giving u access to the area at the front of the stage.

Also - there is only 2 weeks until the first show....

I hope I am proved wrong!!

Jovian · #18 06-10-2003, 10:50 PM

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It sounds like u r speculating.

And I suppose your doomsday predictions don't have a hint of speculation in them, right?

EVERYTHING we write about the UK fan club arrangements is 100% speculation, UNTIL Backstage tells us the facts on their News page.

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As it stood 1 week ago (day before Amsterdam show) there were NO fc arrangements & what I told u above, about how the FC acquires the pit is true. As in America - it is the venues that decide.

And who exactly told you that? Kevin the security guy? Someone else from the Jovi crew? I know exactly how they used to get the fc arrangement info on the OWN Tour, and I don't think that has changed all that much for this tour. And about the fc having to pay for the pit, a few ppl who usually know a thing or two about this band and how they work have just told me that it's "wild speculation and not educated information". So unless you have some SERIOUS inside information about this, I wouldn't necessarily believe that either...

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I can't see it working out as things could get messy with the Gold Tickets being advertised as giving u access to the area at the front of the stage.

This is exactly what I don't get. HOW ON EARTH would it make any difference to TM if fan club members with GOLD STANDING TICKETS were allowed to enter the pit a little earlier than the other Gold Standing Tics holders??? ALL THE OTHER Gold Ticket holders would still be able to enter the pit, of course, but they would just enter it after the fan club members who have Gold Tickets would have entered it first. There's NOTHING in that that would be contradictory to TM advertising Gold Tics as giving access to the area in front of the stage, that's EXACTLY what would happen even if fan club members with Gold Tickets were allowed to enter the venue first. The fan club told us to buy Gold Tics, which I would take as an indication that they will grant fc privileges to fan club members who have Gold Tickets.

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Also - there is only 2 weeks until the first show....

And THAT, my friend, doesn't prove ANYTHING. On the OWN Tour, fan club information for the Paris show was posted NIGHT BEFORE THE SHOW. Or was it even on the show day itself? Can't remember for sure. In any case, the point is that even if the first UK show is now less than two weeks away, it doesn't prove anything one way or the other that the UK fc info hasn't been posted yet. Keep your eyes peeled on the Backstage News page, and hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised by the time the Glasgow show takes place.

Yvonne · #19 06-10-2003, 10:56 PM

I'm gonna have my 2 cents worth now.....

Now, this is my take...

I do not reckon people who have Gold tickets in the UK and are also FC members will have any benefits at all.
I think FC members who have GA, a limited amount of these will be given out to make things fair.

This is all i will say as i am not convinced there will be anything for anyone, as we were told "to buy gold tickets"

Mike · #20 06-10-2003, 11:00 PM

I'm not being doomsday, I'm being realistic.

Yes I did get some inside information - I don't know how reliable it is, however I can tell u the sound stage set up, where the dummy amps r & how many trucks r being used to cart BJ's stuff around Europe & what the truck companies r.

All I am saying is that as it stood one week ago, there were no FC arrangements & a rather large pit. That said they were trying to sort something out for the FC. However I know that Ticketmaster suck bigtime & aren't gonna give them the benefit of the doubt.

Hopefully FC arrangements will be there, although for once that will work out bad for me for the Wolvs gig (although good for Hyde Park).

Mike

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